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Don_Dickle to Asklemmy@lemmy.ml • 8M
Why does it seem the world is all of a sudden concerned about sexual orientation? Especially America. Did I miss how far we came as a society to see it take a 40 year step backwards?
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Why does it seem the world is all of a sudden concerned about sexual orientation? Especially America. Did I miss how far we came as a society to see it take a 40 year step backwards?
Don_Dickle to Asklemmy@lemmy.ml • 8M
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  • Call me Lenny/Leni
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    What does sexual orientation have to do with economics?

    Surely the LGBT population has no bearing on the economy, right? I feel like I’m misunderstanding you somehow.

    • davel [he/him]
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      Class war isn’t about economics, it’s about power.

      The “anti-woke” discourse is not as organic/grassroots as it appears; a large chunk of it is astroturfed.

      The media don’t simply reflect the public discourse, they also shape it. Who owns the media? The capitalist class. They use the media to keep the working class divided, fighting each other, and focused on blaming their problems on something, anything but the capital class itself.

      Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine

      Conservative pundits (and liberal ones, for that matter) are paid handsomely to distract people, to maintain our false consciousness, to pit us against each other.

      Who owns the politicians? Again, the capitalist class, who fund their political campaigns. When politicians like Ron DeSantis rant about “woke ideology,” it’s almost always kayfabe; it’s an act.

      This is not to say that none of it is organic. Our upset and our anger comes from our deteriorating lives under late stage/neoliberal capitalism—wherein the capitalist class squeezes ever more out of us—creates fertile ground for reactionary fervor.

      • Call me Lenny/Leni
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        You got all that from me saying that progress is going backwards because the people sweeping change are being counter-intuitive in who they lump together?

        • davel [he/him]
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          How did this conversation go from “good-intentioned politicians” to whatever might be going on in Iran? Do you even know what’s really going on there? Because I don’t.

          Imperial core countries and corporate media feed us a lot of garbage about countries they consider their “enemy,” so you should be skeptical of what they tell us. With that said, I’m sure LGBTQ+ rights stand to be improved in Iran, but I don’t really know if they’re getting better, worse, or remaining the same right now. What I do know is that the US wants to paint Iran in as bad a light as possible, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the media should run more stories about the plight of LGBTQ+ people in Iran.

          • Call me Lenny/Leni
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            You then don’t see the irony in telling the LGBT “we stand with you” and then going to homophobic nations and homophobic sects and saying the same thing (because they promise help with a certain advancement in awareness)?

            That goes along with what I was talking about, about people making deals with the devil (a figure of speech by the way). I’m pretty sure this phenomenon does not need any help from class phenomenon, positive or negative, in order to exist.

            • davel [he/him]
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              The irony of who telling which LGBT people and subsequently going to “homophobic” states and saying the same thing to whom?

              If someone understands what you’re trying to say, perhaps they can translate for me.

              • Call me Lenny/Leni
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                There is no “which” or “whom”. That’s implied in the main inquiry. Unless you just wanted to talk about class to someone.

                • davel [he/him]
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                  There is no “which” or “whom”.

                  So there is a disembodied conversation going on between two non-entities, or groups of non-entities?

                  That’s implied in the main inquiry.

                  What is implied in what inquiry?

                  I’ve actually run into you before, in another post, and you didn’t make sense that time, either.

                  • Call me Lenny/Leni
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                    The discussion is about LGBT awareness. It doesn’t specify a certain part of the LGBT, it’s just about “the LGBT”. As in all the letters. Not just the L, or the G, or the B, or so on, but everyone in the alphabet, even ones not listed in the main letters. The discussion is about why progress has gone backwards on societal acceptance. And here I am mentioning both the act of championing both those of us who are LGBT and taking subtle steps against us when allying with disagreeable entities. I beg to know what about this “doesn’t make sense” or has any necessitated connection to class, especially when Marx was himself a homophobe, unless all some people understand are issues of class. I remember when the Israel/Palestine war began, we were told to ignore that, but now the war is between Israel and Iran, and the false justification is harder to place in their case.

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