Any explanation / meaning / backstory is more than welcome, or you can just drop it for everyone to try and resolve.
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This, and the lack of inclusive and exclusive 1st person plural, are the biggest oversights in English.
Oh! Like “we with you” and “we not you” ?
Yes.
Speaker + listener + maybe others
Speaker + not listener others
But that now seems small fry compared to the differentiating subject and object’s possessive adjectives.