I did a search from shitjustworks for “reddit die” and did not find https://lemmy.world/c/watchredditdie so I made https://sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie (unnecessarily). This should really not happen. When someone makes a community there should be a “ping” sent out to notify all other federated instances.
And from what I know, if I post to !sh.itjust.works/c/watchredditdie only users on sh.itjust.works will see the posts until other people from other instances randomly come across it somehow and subscribe? This really needs to be improved.
Tip is to feature it on the !newcommunities@lemmy.world community, crosspost the first few posts from there to more popular communities, and be sure to link various discussion threads from that community in other communities. Get people interested enough to Subscribe then posts will spread to that instance.
This inconvenience is partly by design in Lemmy. People that start up a new server don’t want to have ALL the content across the Fediverse rush through and explode their PC or hosted VM. Or a troll that makes a new community, spams a bunch of posts or puts up illegal material in a new community can easily be caught in the home instance before it spreads to others.
Isn’t it mostly text? Why would that be a heavy burden? Isn’t there an option to disable local hosting of images & videos?
Lemmy was able to be hosted on 1GB RAM machines, which may still work but less likely to be a good experience if you have too many instances in the federation queue even with just text. With images on, the biggest problem is the storage needs grew a lot.
Sharing/publishing lists of communities on a server to allow for automated subscribing seems like a good interim measure.
If instances don’t want to federate with some or all other instances, that is their choice, and that’s on purpose. Some just want to have smaller communities, stronger moderation, and sometimes be entirely private.
If you’re looking for instances that federate with most, you should choose yours accordingly. And I think you won’t have an issue with that, because most popular instances chose to go this route.
This is not about federation between instances. It’s about how community discovery within federated instances works. Currently it’s definitely sub-par.
I really don’t know how this is supposed to catch on, to be honest.
I’m surprised there was no issue filed for this already, maybe I just failed to find it, but I made a new issue
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4412
if anyone wants to give it a thumbs up reaction then the devs will know to prioritize it, and if you have any ideas you could leave a comment there
Edit: that was somewhat a duplicate of this issue
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2951
Give that one a thumbs up
Perfect, thank you!
I don’t think it’s bad thing that content is hidden.
To me, it’s comforting to think of cyberspace as being kind of like the real world. And in the real world, there’s distance. You can be near or far from things. You can travel, and the longer you travel the further you go. Things percolate through at a steady pace, and so everything’s not perfectly mixed but there are different zones with things going on.
When we had cyberspace shown to us in Snow Crash or Disclosure or NetRunner, it was always a space. Like a second world you could go live a life in.
I know it’s a loose connection, but I like how, in order to discover more instances I might have to travel to neighboring instances and then from there to others. Like each user you hear from has an instance in their username. That’s a way to discover instances.
And having redundant communities? That’s a great idea. Then you get that separation and divergent/recombinant evolution in those communities too.
Just a thought. As we add features, and remove constraints, from lemmy, we make serious architectural choices that will affect the way it feels and acts as space for communities to grow in.
We call it a Fediverse not a Fedidatabase. A ‘verse is a place you go through, at a speed, taking time. A ‘verse is a vast and wide place.
The number of subscribers being completely different depending on which instance you search from is really weird/bad too IMO.
This is fixed in version 0.19.3, hopefully your instance will update soon
Subscriber numbers will be federated? That’s awesome!
Yes, it’s been the case for a while ha ha
that was fixed, I think in v0.19.0, but your instance hasn’t updated yet
Yeah there’s a tool called LCB (Lemmy Community Boost but it’s not a perfect solution to this issue. A good idea would be to have something like that built right into Lemmy, where instances can have an internal account that will look for and subscribe to communities which opt into discovery.
Soemthing like how the join-lemmy site works where it finds instances, but for communities. Obviously this would need to be enabled and allowed by instance moderators, smaller instances and personal ones with limited space probably don’t want to pull from every community in the fediverse, but for larger ones, such a feature would be greatly beneficial.
So like https://boost.lemy.lol/ ?
Yeah but have it be a feature of Lemmy itself and have it automatically look for communities and subscribe to ones that have a discovery setting enabled.
Hopefully it will happen in the coming releases.
There is a design conflict between on the one hand having the capability to locate and reach all instances of a thing, and on the other hand having those things be freely available to people.
This is, incidentally, why pro-2A people are so opposed to the idea of a gun registry.
I’m not understanding what the conflict is between being able to locate a thing and that thing being available for use.
I didn’t say able to locate I said there being a list. But in that case being able to locate is a better term. And I didn’t say available I said freely available, which is an important distinction.
If a thing’s existence always includes a route to finding it, that constrains its existence. Barriers in adding to the list, or in whatever finding mechanism you use, become barriers to the creation of an instance of that thing.
That’s one problem. There are others too, but if we can’t agree on this one then we’ve no hope of discussing the others.
Like, do you need me to break down what happened there for you? Are you asking whether I made a mistake because you don’t know, or … for some other reason?
Yes. I made a mistake. I think it’s weird you’re behaving as if you need me to confirm that, but sure. I thought I said “list”, and didn’t. Oops. Fortunately for me I never lie and hence it didn’t matter if I remembered what I said because I immediately recognized that “locate” is better terminology despite thinking it was your wording not mine so … are we good on that?
What were you gonna say in terms of responding to the message?
Okay. Anything else?
What is that?
A good implementation would be a warning at the creation of a community. Lemmy looks if a community already exist on the instances and display them. It would be on top of a better search.
The devs actually talked about this in the AMA from a couple of days ago. Sounds like the current plan is to have all federating servers send their entire list of communities to each other on a regular basis.
The other thing that I think is worth mentioning is Lemmy Community Boost which is basically a bot that serves the same purpose.
Great news.
Thanks for reminding me that there was an AMA I forgot about lol.
https://boost.lemy.lol <- link to it, doesnt work for instances not connected to it like lemmy.world but theres still ~ 26 major ones
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !watchredditdie@lemmy.world, !watchredditdie@sh.itjust.works
Something tells me that neither one of those communities are going anywhere anyway. No matter what tweaking is done to Lemmy. The one you mentioned is so dead you might as well have made another. There’s already Reddit themed communities that are meant for the same thing really as that’s all most of us want it to do is die.
Indeed, I mentioned this to OP as well in his post on !newcommunities@lemmy.world a few days ago
/r/watchredditdie is not going to migrate to /c/reddit communities that are mildly-anti-reddit at best and often have pro-reddit content. I’m hoping they’ll be willing to migrate to a /c/watchredditdie one.
Still waiting for you to show us that pro-reddit content in those communities, last time you used an !asklemmy thread
Here you go https://sh.itjust.works/post/13700601. Most of the votes and comments are pro-reddit. And a user there also mentions another anti-reddit thread that the mods deleted for a pretty ridiculous reason.
A major reddit critic posts to lemmy and they get trolled or astroturfed, and their thread deleted.
Regardless, I’ve done what I can to try to get some communities to move to Lemmy, and they don’t seem interested. So I think I give up for now.
Does this mean it’s time for /c/watchwatchredditdiedie?
Go for it, I’ll subscribe. When that type of community takes off I’ll know we’ve really gotten somewhere haha
And if it doesn’t we know what to do
Even your ping idea wouldn’t have worked here
Why not? When the person created the sub it would have sent out a ping to all federated instances, and thus when any account on a federated instance searches the keyword they would find that sub. IE: each instance would have a list of subs of all other federated instances. Like a sitemap.
Why not? When the person created the sub it would have sent out a ping to all federated instances
No it wouldn’t? Unless you mean that’s what you think it should do?
Anyway, there are tools to do this manually if you make a new community and want it to appear it popular all feeds.
No it wouldn’t? Unless you mean that’s what you think it should do?
Yes, and it seems that the devs have this in mind on their to-do list.
