@asklemmy What do you think it would take for people to drop Twitter & Reddit and move to the Fediverse?
Have you seen Reddit and Twitter lately? You want those people here?
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Yeah, they seem to be doing a good job and who knows if they join the Fediverse other sites might look at doing the same.
The question asked about people, not advertisers.
I know people that use Reddit & Twitter purely for their NSFW content, So I don’t think taking away Fediverse NSFW content would work for those types of people.
I don’t think it’s going to happen over any single event. I think Federated platforms will remain small scale but very active, and that’s all they have to do as mainstream social medias spring up, monetize, and collapse, over and over and over again.
Then one day in the future, the latest generation of cool kids will just realize that it’s way cooler to be on the Federated platforms than it is to be on the mainstream sites.
I wouldn’t say it would take more than 20 years. People are already annoyed with how much social media they have to move between, as well as the data collecting and adverts they get.
It’s that or if some of these bigger creators, stars or business’ move across to the Fediverse as their way of communication, then that would increase the user base.
User interface.
OK miss/calc/shark key has it but mastodon is pretty rough, and lemmy isn’t that nice. Yes I know for Lemmy Alexandrite is neater than the official app, but it’s already some power user level, same for instances having the photon and old front-end.Yeah, I guess I could see how the UI / UX could be a problem for some people. I’m sure it’s something that they will improve on overtime.
For a Lemmy Alternative, there’s Kbin what’s pretty visually pleasing but can be complex compared to Lemmy to learn.
More blackjack and hookers
Aww, forget that blackjack and the Hookers too.
They won’t. There are people are still on facebook. Best we can do is have a healthy alternative that people want to come to.
not even “still on facebook”, since 2020, the surge of people moving TO facebook instead of away of facebook has increased tremendously.
the traditional second hand market sites are dying because facebook marketplace is taking over.
traditional websites and helpdesk/support channels are dying because companies are switching to facebook pages and messenger/whatsapp.
old school forums have more or less been entirely replaced by facebook groups.
alternative chat platforms have more or less died because of messenger.
branding is nearly gone everywhere and has been replaced by instagram.
the list goes on.
and imo the worst part is, facebooks policy and technical offering is inferior to the alternatives people are moving away from. and the only reason everyone is moving to facebook is because everyone is moving to facebook.
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the day Mastodon offers Groups, I will be advertising the move to Mastodon and shortly shut down the groups I run. Though, Groups was supposed to be out already last year and yet we’re in 2024 and nothing is happening. If they had managed to stick to schedule it would have been a golden opportunity because a lot of people were looking for alternatives (but found none), when facebook went ham on their policy. but as there was no alternatives, everyone’s back on facebook just circumventing the policies (for now).
Hopefully people will as I hate switching between different platforms and it’s one of the reasons I enjoy the fediverse
Same imo. There’s going to be a universal login feature coming down the pipe which should make mass adoption a lot smoother.
Yes, ActivityPub 2.0 is working on that from what I can see. It would be really cool to see how that turns out. Bluesky’s not using the same protocols though, so unsure how they are going to fix with all of that.
Eh, fuckem’ 😂
That might take a while with all 2 million of them lol
A faux front end that makes the fediverse appear centralised.
So Threads? That’s getting progress on coming to the Fediverse. Guess we would have lots more people join through that.
I’m not sure what threads is really. I’m not on Instagram. Gotta make it as simple as possible.
Threads is instagrams version of mastodon / twitter. Even know you can login with instagram it does bring it mainstream
Oh ok. Thank-you. I’m too old for Instagram! Have you tried Nostr?
Everybody else doing it.
And how do we get everyone else to do it?
Be careful what you wish for. It’s very good for us that those people stay where they are… Otherwise this place would be Twitter.
A lot of those people would need to go to there own instances that we would be able to block due to policies on most mastodon instances aligning with Trans Rights as well as other LGBT+ people being safe.
Yeah, that’s probably the best way that people would move across. Knowing people are moving across to Threads, It could be a good way (once they join the Fediverse) for people to get involved with it and maybe move across to things like Mastodon and Lemmy.
They also have to abandon their presence on twitter as well.
Why on Earth would we want to do that?
The last thing in the world the fediverse needs is a bunch of idiots blundering around in it.
As an idiot currently blundering around in it, I don’t think this is something we can gatekeep, nor can we try and do it. It’s just something that will happen
The great thing about the fediverse is that people have control over which instances they are around, and there will always be some more isolated ones if that’s what you prefer
I don’t think we can gatekeep it either.
But we can, or not, encourage it. I’d rather not. I’ve never - not even once in more than 30 years online - seen a forum get notably popular without it also, and obviously as a direct result, going to shit.
The great thing about the fediverse is that people have control over which instances they are around, and there will always be some more isolated ones if that’s what you prefer.
If the masses discover the fediverse and move here, that’s not going to remain the case, guaranteed.
They’ll bitch and moan because content isn’t centralized (we’ve already seen that), and the rent-seeking fuckwads will, one way or another, rearrange things so that it is centralized, and specifically so that they can then squat on top of it and suck profit out of it, and it’ll end up just another facebook/twitter/instagram/reddit.
Count on it.
To have actual content on here. I hate having to switch between the Fediverse and normal Social Media to get updates on the niche things I enjoy.
Make it active so that when they look, they see content
I’ll try to do just that then. Stay active and make this place full of content for people to enjoy.
The network effect is really strong. Once you try getting people to move or try something new you really realise how strong it is.
For me it was a combination of seeing that there was a lot of activity on the fediverse (no point joining a social media if there’s no people on it) and also feeling the need to actually frequently use social media again, because I hadn’t been using social media for a while outside of retweeting something once in a blue moon.
We’re social creatures, so I’m sure the more people move to Fediverse, well, the more people will follow.
Why would you want them to? Look up the “September that never ended” and what that effect does to communities.
I would like to see the Fediverse grow overtime, also we haven’t had to deal with a Decentralised network across the internet before, who knows what may happen.
There is a big difference between slow growth over time though (say a few percent of the existing user base every month) and a giant influx of new users (say 10 times the existing user base in a single month). The latter destroys everything the community was about since nobody knows the unwritten rules and new users copy bad behaviour from other new users.
Wouldn’t it help to make the rules written, then enforce them?
we haven’t had to deal with a Decentralised network across the internet before
You say that while using the WWW, a decentralized network of Webservers and Webbrowsers all Access the world.
And you say that while using Domain names, which certainly don’t come from your /etc/Hosts but from a decentralized DNS Network of servers all around the world.
That’s different from a Protocol that anyone can use, boot up a server that has access to the whole Fediverse active posts & user base.
The Fediverse is making it so much easier for people to have users across their own social network platforms, bending the protocols to work with what vision they have, well still allowing others to access it.
People who have been paying attention have already moved. Anyone who’s left will need a missile dropped directly on top of their head by Elon Musk or Steve Huffman personally. They will leave when the websites can no longer support themselves and shut down their servers, forcing the users out.
Yeah, tbh with all of what has happened on both of platforms, it’s sad to still see them alive.
Hopefully, people slowly start moving across or they’re some huge outage that happens in the future as it doesn’t seem like many more people are willing to move across (at least from my experience).
Who knows, Threads may help the future of the Fediverse with the amount of users that could see the possibility of it across Mastodon, Lemmy and many other instances.
I didn’t even know Lemmy existed until last week (when I specifically searched for a Reddit alternative) even though I heard about Mastodon.
And it might be confusing to decide where you need to register and what’s the difference without reading up how the Fediverse works. Most people don’t care about that.
Also if they are based on the same technology why I can’t use a Mastodon account to login/interact with Lemmy (conveniently)
I guess if we ever have Nomadic identities most of the above could be solved? Except that Lemmy is still almost completely unknown for most of the people.
People are “lazy” and only social, today. They want to log in, info dump, and not think.
Before the nadir of social media, when reddit and twitter were coming up, the people online were predominantly young millennials and new tech was exciting. That was a time where netizens were more curious and accepting of online platform learning challenges. In fact, if it was beta or even just more hands on and generally nerdy, that often made the platform more appealing. Then everything became standardized. Mega social media squashed innovative smaller fun projects. Competition got absorbed. And with the mass standardization of the internet came the younger generations who came up just expecting shit to work as they’ve always seen. Streamlined and with an inclusion of 15 minutes of fame. But, in honesty the biggest snooze is the lack of innovation that drove the old internet drives today’s general malaise.
Times are different. People are bored with internet tech and are therefore less curious. My younget gen z and y co-workers glaze over if I even so much as mention irc or playing around with your own web server. Gen y understands but doesn’t care because Twitter and IG governed their highschool experience. Gen z doesn’t understand and are kinda boomer-esque in terms of any software comprehension. I’ve had to teach my interns what Excel even is.
Times are different. Everything has being standardized, monontonized, monitized, predictable, and generally boring. I think the fediverse would have to become mainstream to appeal to the mainstream. And today’s mainstream aren’t interested in new platform learning curves unless there’s something fun, compelling, and of entertainment value to them.
Just my old millennial lady take.
I’m gen z :[ ouch. To be fair though yeah, not that many gen z actually have digital literacy. I need to help my friends the same age as me with things boomers would also ask me for help with. It’s kind of sad having a very surface-level consumer relationship with the wonderful world of the internet and tech
Yea… and I realize how harsh it sounds but like, I put “lazy” in quotes because I don’t think it’s really laziness. Maybe more boredom? The environments’ just been designed to not invite exploration. Everything is just automatic and instant now. Innovation is driven by need. The need has been engineered away, for the most part.
I’m in that demographic (born in the 90s), and my friends are definitely apathetic/uninterested in trying new platforms. I am trying to convince them of alternatives 🫡, wish me luck.
Irc is probably a nice way to see how chatting was back in the 90s im a gen z and i think its quite fun to just load up a irc client then log on to random irc servers to have some fun
Gen z here, there are still nerds in our generation
Think part of what you’re seeing might be that previously when it was all new and niche the only people using these sites were nerds, nowadays everyone’s using it so by comparison it looks like there are less of us around
I hear Lemmy is very reminiscent of the old internet because it aggregates all the techies together like the internet in general used to
Twitter is a celebrities’ and public persons’ playground. As well as organisations. Anyone else is on there either to gain prominence or to follow the prominent accounts. Until there’s a suitable fediverse platform that appears as an advantage to those big names, nothing’s gonna change on that front. In spite of all the censorship and cancellations.
Would it be best for Bluesky to then take all the celebs & public figures and work out a bridge between protocols, making it hopefully possible to see their stuff on Mastodon and other places?
As users can then choose if they want to use Mastodon or another alternative like Bluesky.
I’m not familiar with Bluesky so I don’t know the answer to that. But I don’t think any entity can just ‘take all the celebs & public figures’. They are unlikely to move unless they think it’s an advantage to themselves or their organisation.
There’s plenty of Celebs & public figures using Bluesky, as that’s how they started growing their platform originally.
There’s also Threads that have more Celebs & public figures including Bill Gates. So I guess Threads might be the way they will publicly get in on the Fediverse. That’s when they actually fully flesh their ActivityPub stuff and publicly release it.
Ok. I’d be interested to know how Bluesky compares in size to Twitter.
As of last November 2 Million users. What compared to the rest of the Fediverse that’s very few.
https://mashable.com/article/bluesky-2-million-users-public-interface
I believe Twitter still has hundreds of millions monthly active users. That’s tough competition.
Yeah, well, at least it’s said to have that many active users but logging in once in a month to check 1 post. So less than 10 seconds on the website / app counts as active.
I’m sure it’s slightly inflated. Hopefully indie developers and other smaller public figures come across.
