I’m feeling so uneasy with everything I’ve been seeing. I keep thinking about what we will be this time next year, and if shit hits the fan, what is your plan? I’m queer and was politically active in 2020, so I would potentially be considered a political enemy.
The only blueprint I can think of is what you do in an active shooter situation; Flee, Hide, Fight.
I know there’s that romantic notion of “don’t be a coward, get out and protest”, but I remember the brutality of the 2020 protests firsthand, and even then I thought “thank god I’m going toe to toe with the CPD and not the CCP”. Next time is going to be different. The president now has authority to send drone strikes. Protests and riots don’t stand a chance agains missiles and live rounds.
Flee- I have an Uncle in Montreal who my family could potentially use as a way to at least temporarily escape the chaos. The hope I’d have is that Canada and other countries would accept American refugees, however that’s not a guarantee.
Hide- If borders are closed, lay low and move away from major cities if possible. If civil war breaks out, try to get away from the violence even if you think your side will win. Todays losers may be tomorrows victors.
Fight- If cellular data/ social media algorithms can keep track of you, and surveillance can make sure there’s no movement, this would be the last resort of desperation. I guess if possible try to either find a group for safety in numbers, or conversely go guerrilla as groups of resistance would make easy targets.
Sorry my mind is running and I’m getting scared.
I’ve been saving for a down payment for a house for two years. It would appear my money is not wanted in the USA. I also have dual EU citizenship. My plan is to improve my spoken German and take my family overseas.
As an atheist married to a Salvadoran woman with whom I have two hispanic children, I feel like after they run out of illegal immigrants we’ll not be far down the “committing suicide with two bullets to the back of the head” list. Or maybe we’ll just get sent to a camp that treats ADHD if you catch my drift.
I visited Germany in 2022 and was very impressed with the walkable/bikeable infrastructure and ICE trains even if they were late on occasion. The food wasn’t my favorite but the culture and people were kind and they still seem to value rule of law and societal decorum to a certain degree. The idea that making a nazi salute in public is jailable/fineable is really how it should be everywhere but “free speech” yadda yadda…
I have wanted to leave the US since 2003. Just didn’t have skills or money until now. I’m still going to struggle with a language barrier and finding a job with A2 level German. That’s my biggest issue right now I think.
My mom moved to the US not knowing English. How the turntables have turned.
you have to admit, moving to germany to avoid deathcamps has some hiarlous irony
As a German: You’ll be welcomed and appreciated, just know that we too are fighting a political right shift and that the neonazi AfD might emerge as one of, if not the strongest party next election cycle. Especially if Trump wins this will float nationalist and fascists in Europe on the rising brown tide. It’s extremely unlikely they’ll end up in government though.
Generally immigrants from the US are quite happy over here and report high satisfaction with their move if they have a) children or b) health issues that cost an arm and a leg in the US and also bring a patience for German bureaucracy and good language skills.
Since you have German citizenship you are free to also consider the Netherlands (easier finding a job with only English, way higher cost of housing) or other EU countries, since you can settle in any one thanks to freedom of movement (Spain might be easier on your wife, since she’ll speak the language).
So because I’m in a first past the post system over here, how does that work? You will still have other parties that can form a coalition against the right at that point? Assuming they don’t get 50+% of the vote, correct? The courts here are already fascist and preparing for the takeover due to Trump’s judge appointments during his term. Congress is deadlocked and useless as usual, and Biden is circling the drain figuratively and literally. There is no run off here. No coalitions to be had. Trump gets 47%, Biden 46%, and Kennedy 7%? Trump becomes president even though over half the country doesn’t want him. What’s worse is that he only needs percentages of the electoral college and not actual votes.
Germany, at least from my outsider perspective, seems to understand its history enough to be minimizing the right wing to its true proportions. But yeah, I’m well aware the developed world is going to shit. I’m not really sure what to do about it or where to go. The USA feels like ground zero for this shit due to Trump being in Russia’s pocket. That propaganda op worked better than anything they’ve ever done in the past. Even they probably can’t believe how successful they’ve been.
We looked at Spain, but ultimately the salaries are so low that we wouldn’t be able to afford to fly home to visit relatives and friends assuming we can still do that post Trump. I guess I’m not writing off the US entirely just yet but it’s not looking too great.
Thanks for your advice and well wishes. I hope to vote against AfD if/when I get there.
The afd is curently the 2nd strongest in the polls but the strongest ist also the very right leaning cdu/csu, together they have the potential of 50% for the next election and there are forces in the cdu/csu that are not strictly opposed to that idea (like the current head of the party: Merz). Some other parts are but the cdu/csu is also very keen on not looking like they have internal struggles, so it’s anyone bet if they will actually keep the tadition of being the self proclaimed right most acceptible party and therefore only forming coalition with parties left of them (or arguably on the same level in the case of fdp), or if they give into their own extremist wing.
i hope that afd and cdu/csu just don’t get 50% so they have to do cdu/csu + spd + greens or cdu/csu + spd + fdp (sadly the only realistic option atm)
Regarding the forming of a coalition: Even if the AfD gets below 50%(which is very likely) this means, that its not unrealistic that they get into lawmaking. The CDU which currently is the strongest party(before AfD) has a policy to not form a coalition with our leftist party. They also hate the green party and would do reelections before forming a coalition with them. This eliminates(I use the results of the EU elections) about 14% of votes from a CDU coalition. Our current coalition is also very far away from 50% so we ain’t gonna have a coalition without the CDU. This wouldn’t be to much of a problem, if the CDU wouldn’t have transformed into an AfD light party. They uncritically copy points from them and talk about virtually everything they talk about. Initially they declared to not work together with the AfD in any way, but this phrase lost all meaning in the last few years. The current leader also declared, that they are willing to work together with the AfD on lower political levels,because “the citizen wanted them so we will work together with them”. This means, that it is not unlikely that they will form a coalition with the AfD. If they manage to get more than 50% of votes in total it is the only viable option of a coalition(OK, to be fair they also might include the BSW).
We have Senate and House of Representatives analogues, the AfD will be very influential in the Bundesrat (roughly equivalent to the Senate) because they will be the strongest party in some States but in the Bundestag (HoR), where representation is proportional it’s extremely unlikely that they will be able to create a governing coalition, because if the CDU/CSU does that, they imho. will bleed voters all over and not win any election for decades.
But forcing the democratic parties to form an all-encompassing coalition will also be bad for all of them. Still better for the country, but really unstable and basically grind government operations to a minimum consensus for four years.
Our courts are… well okay-ish. They might have some hard conservatives (and will get worse with the AfD able to put judges forward), but generally the courts are seen as stable, fair and guardians of the democratic process. But the democratic process might just not be as crucial as democracy itself, when it’s tools are used to get rid of democracy.
All in all, even with Russia puppeteering the AfD, I have way more confidence in the gernan, than in the american public, mostly because the “culture war” hasn’t yet overcome the political need for cooperation in our proportional representative system.
Well if the left hadnt gutted responsible gun ownership then maybe said guns could fulfill their primary purpose they where designated by the founding fathers. That being military power in the hands of a citizens militia to protect against the authoritarianism of the government.
I was thinking of laughing
Gonna try to find a way to get to DC on Jan 20, get as close as I can to Fuckface 45, and kill myself.
Keep my head down and power through the next 4 years same as last time.
This is VERY MUCH not last time. There’s intent this time, you really need to tune in.
I’m on page 449 and there is nothing about banning contraceptives.
You have to buy the book dummy - it’s always a grift inside a grift. Here, spend some coin: https://www.project2025.org/policy/
I have not bought the book. Many, many scholars have. I suppose they are all lying though, you know, deep state this that or something?
There’s a link just above “buy the book” that says “read the mandate” and downloads a PDF of the book when you tap it.
Seems to be referring to the whole section
In the context of current and emerging reproductive technologies, HHS policies should never place the desires of adults over the right of children to be raised by the biological fathers and mothers who conceive them. In cases involving biological parents who are found by a court to be unfit because of abuse or neglect, the process of adoption should be speedy, certain, and supported generously by HHS.
Page 451 (tbh more about voluntary adoption and possibly sperm donation than contraceptives but not that much of a stretch considering the mention of reproductive technologies.)
Additionally, TANF priorities are not implemented in an equally weighted way. Marriage, healthy family formation, and delaying sex to prevent pregnancy are virtually ignored in terms of priorities, yet these goals can reverse the cycle of poverty in meaningful ways. CMS should require explicit measurement of these goals.
Page 476 (They really want to promote abstinence and fertility awareness as the end-all be-all methods of contraceptive.)
Teen Pregnancy Prevention (TPP) and Personal Responsibility Education Program (PREP). TPP is operated by the Office of Population Affairs in the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Health; PREP is operated by the ACF Office of Planning, Research, and Evaluation. Both programs should ensure that there is better reporting of subgrantees and referral lists so that they do not promote abortion or high-risk sexual behavior among adolescents. CMS should ensure that Sexual Risk Avoidance (SRA) proponents receive these grants and are given every opportunity to prove their effectiveness. SRA programs, both at ACF and at OASH and both discretionary and mandatory, should be equal in funding and emphasis. Qualitative research should be conducted on both types of programs to ensure continuous improvement.
In addition, certain provisions should be employed so that these programs do not serve as advocacy tools to promote sex, promote prostitution, or provide a funnel effect for abortion facilities and school field trips to clinics, or for similar purposes. Parent involvement and parent–child communication should be encouraged and be a part of any funded project. Risk avoidance should be prioritized, and any program that submits a proposal that promotes risk rather than health should not be eligible for funding.
Site visits should be revamped to ensure adherence to these optimal health metrics, and a cost analysis of programming as compared to students served should be a metric in funding (taking into account that in certain cases, intensive programs will serve fewer students and can have more positive results). These same parameters should apply to sex education programs at ACF. Any lists with “approved curriculum” or so-called evidence-based lists should be abolished; HHS should not create a monopoly of curriculum, adding to the profit of certain publishers. Furthermore, lists created in the past have given priority to sex-promotion textbooks. HHS should create a list of criteria for evaluating the sort of curriculum that should be selected for any sex education grant programs, both at OASH and at ACF, with the aim of promoting optimal health and adhering to the legislative language of each program.
Page 477 (again more about sex ed than contraceptives but how are adults supposed to know about them if they cant be legally taught at school age, for fear of “promoting sexuality” despite abstinence-based (so-called “”“risk avoidance”“”) programs not actually reducing sexuality in young people.)
Restore Trump religious and moral exemptions to the contraceptive mandate (also a CMS rule). HHS should rescind, if finalized, the regulation titled “Coverage of Certain Preventive Services Under the Affordable Care Act,” proposed jointly by HHS, Treasury, and Labor.70 This rule proposes to amend Trump-era final rules regarding religious and moral exemptions and accommodations for coverage of certain preventive services under the ACA. Preventive services include contraception, and it appears the proposed rule would change the existing regulations for religious and moral exemptions to the ACA’s contraception mandate. There is no need for further rulemaking that curtails existing exemptions and accommodations.
Eliminate the week-after-pill from the contraceptive mandate as a potential abortifacient. One of the emergency contraceptives covered under the HRSA preventive services guidelines is Ella (ulipristal acetate). Like its close cousin, the abortion pill mifepristone, Ella is a progesterone blocker and can prevent a recently fertilized embryo from implanting in a woman’s uterus. HRSA should eliminate this potential abortifacient from the contraceptive mandate.
Pages 483/484 (actually, everything 483 - 485 really, its just a lot to paste here so im pulling out the worst ones. Left out the calls for promotion of fertility awareness, because totally in isolation of the rest of this stuff and with proper warning of its limitations I have less a problem with that than with losing access to more reliable contraceptives.)
Promoting Life and Family. In dealing with sexually transmitted diseases and unwanted pregnancies, the OASH should focus on root-cause analysis with a focus on strengthening marriage and sexual risk avoidance. Strong leadership is needed in the Office of Science and Medicine to drive investigative review of literature for a variety of issues including the effect of abortion on prematurity and breast cancer; lack of evidence for so-called gender-affirming care; and physical and emotional damage following cross-sex treatments, especially on children. The OASH should withdraw all recommendations of and support for cross-sex medical interventions and “gender-affirming care.”
Page 490 (they really talk around it here but the mention of STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and again “risk-avoidance” makes this pretty loaded. Hormonal contraceptives could also be considered gender-affirming care, as it alters a person’s natural hormonal state.)
Edits for formatting
I don’t have time/computer access right now to dive into actual doc and work to point you in the right direction work citation. But it’s likely discussing measures that would indirectly eliminate access to the so called “morning after pill” plan b, or oral birth control at least. Maybe through something like title X or things like that attempt to enforce that obscure law from the 1800s that didn’t ban the drugs directly, but banned shipping them into states (which again, would be an effective ban unless every state stood up its own infrastructure, which of course they’d also likely be trying to eliminate that ability to do that in parallel)
If you’re genuinely curious and not just a sad, impotent troll that looks at an entire mountain rocks on “blue mountain” and says, “AHHHH!!! But I found this one greenish blue rock!!! So it’s not actually blue mountain!!!” then here is a link that dives into some of the fascist’s angles on this specific matter - https://www.mediamatters.org/project-2025/inside-project-2025s-attack-reproductive-rights-contraception
I hate to say it but if Trump wins, it will not be the same as last time. Trump and the Republicans have both learned a lot from their last go around, and they’ve got the benefit of a captive supreme court at their back this time. Last time they had no clear plan for what to do if they won. This time around their plan is very clear and very scary.
Last time there was a pandemic that killed millions of people…
For a long time now my plan has been to buy land way out in the boonies where no one can find me and set up a bunch of solar energy panels to power basic electronics and satellite internet while I grow potatoes and raise chickens.
Beans and apples too
And cannabis
And cocaine… in fact forget about the potatoes, beans, and apples.
Way out in the booniee where, roughly?
Probably like a sparsely populated cottage area. One of those places where you need a boat to reach in the summer or a snow mobile in the winter
Better buy it now, in any case.
Sometimes I really don’t know if these posts are serious.
You aren’t going to get drone striked. There isn’t going to be a civil war.
Chill yo
Of course it’s not a certainty but there is a significant probability. And that probability increased with the supreme court ruling granting blanket immunity.
Trump is a criminal, and SCOTUS just declared that nothing he does is a crime if he’s President. There are many scenarios where things get violent, he orders the military to do crazy shit and part of the military wants to follow his order while another part refuses.
There’s this thing where normally surprising court rulings result in a lot of breathless over reaction from the public, while serious legal commentators are going “Guys, no, it doesn’t actually work that way, it’s not nearly as bad as you think.”
The Trump immunity ruling is the only time I’ve ever seen those serious legal commentators saying “Holy shit this is so much worse than you think.” People are seriously underestimating just how bad this really is.
Yeah I was expecting Legal Eagle to put out a video outlining what a President can and can’t be prosecuted for. Instead it was “we’re fucked.”
Hide my recent diagnosis of hypertension and return to the Motherland. I’d stay for the Civil War 2, but, honestly?
Fuck this place. Most of these fuckers don’t even deserve Biden, much less a good candidate, lmao.
As a non American living outside of the US; I’m much more concerned about a second Trump term.
The first one was mostly just annoying, funny and embarrassing for you guys.
This time he’ll be taking over with war in Europe and the whole Israel/Gaza thing. There is quite a lot of damage he can do…
Do you really think anyone competent will work for Trump? The first time around he tried to deport dreamers, didn’t end the program the right way, and they didn’t get deported for his entire term. He would sometimes forget to sign bills he had photo ops with. He lead a group of rioters to the capital, told them where the electoral votes were, and they ended up taking selfies and Nancy Pelosi’s podium. And these were his intelligent supporters.
Yeah and Hitler injected human shit into himself, so what? Where does this sense of confidence come from? He said he’d kill people and now he’s legally allowed to do it.
Yes. While Trump doesn’t have the full backing and confidence of the real three branches of government (Oil, Finance, and Military Industrial Complex) he has the backing of the religious fanatic institution like The Federalist Society.
They pay good money to figure out how to gamify voting and power, and have been moving the pieces in the shadows for a while. People have been calling them out for decades with their shit judge appointments, but only now that it’s reached a critical mass do people seem to care.
Now that most of the forest is burned, it’s a bit too late, but we can still put out the fire from conservative evil (all conservatives are evil, so if you are reading this know you go against your own Bible and will spend eternity in hell, bitch) and try to recover.
Yes. There’s a lot of people itching to use this opportunity to seize power and implement their extreme right wing views via the government. Project 2025 is just there on the web to read, and they have people ready to go.
Trump is just a (stupid) face for the masses this time. The conservatists come prepared for some real uprooting.
Last Week Tonight said that Trump did not expect to win at all the first time and therefore entered his term very unprepared. This time it is completely different. He had four years to assemble a ruthless, strong, and clever team, which is now ready with a well-developed plan.
No idea. Don’t think I have the physical means to leave the country. I have in demand skills but I am so Far in debt I can’t make financial arrangements and am considered a liability to due debts owed to foreign entities. I’m probably going to go back in the closet taking the hide option by retreating into a cist white het male shell and attempt to reclaim that privilege that may hopefully stop me from getting executed or put in a camp.
On the one hand I’ve been thinking about leaving the country. I really don’t think Canada is a safe move. Especially because it’s the first thought for so many left wing Americans and it’s so close. I also don’t think it’s inconceivable that a more dictitorual Trump ends up invading Canada…I’ve been thinking about trying to live in Vietnam myself… I figure if they can keep the USA out then international politics isn’t something id have to worry about to much there. They’re actual leftists and the money I have here should stretch even farther there to help the transition. I’ve also tried to talk a few friends into coming along with me if it goes bad we’ll see how that works I’m going to try to get 15ish friends to agree hopefully at least a few will follow through.
The other side of my mind thinks that’s extreme and doesn’t want to leave. That side does think that getting some rice and beans one of those giant rechargeable batteries with solar panels is a good idea though.
Why on Earth would Trump invade Canada?
If you think Trump’s the kind of person who does things for reasons I don’t know what to tell you dude
Only thing I can do is hope I don’t get genocided. But when Proud Boys show up, I’m not going without a fight.
Nothing will probably happen if he gets elected.
What makes you say that? He is clearly promising a lot of things to happen, and he’s confirmed he would be a dictator “the first day”.
I know politicians bullshit a lot, but I am not so sure he doesn’t intend to follow through on at least some of the very outlandish shit he’s promised so far.
His last term, he basically done nothing if it wasn’t for the supreme court justices dying.
Nothing really. By then everyone in my household will hold dual-citizenship and be able to leave when they decide the situation has gotten unacceptable.
I won privilege bingo so me personally am in no danger, at least for the foreseeable future. Work in the infrastructure sector and plan to go down with the ship. You guys have fun with your civil war and genocides, I will keep the garbage and sewage at bay. At least until the secret police get to me and put a bullet in my brain.
