I think he will, but there might be a real primary challenge.
I dont understand how it is his choice to do so or not. Its the voters who decide. If he doesn’t have the backing he shouldn’t be able to. Its not up to him
well yeah, but he still needs to make a continuous choice lol. they can’t make him run
The problem is not Trump. The problem is the people who vote for him
The members of a personality cult are victims of its leader. The problem is Trump.
No. They are susceptible to be influenced and manipulated by populist ideas. If it isn’t Trump someone else will do the same with them.
By that argument, a con man’s victims are to blame for having been fooled.
true, but i think the comment aims more at “it doesn’t have to be this specific con man, they’d fall for other con men too just the same way”
I think the counterpoint is that it seems not that common for one and only one con man to milk this voting base. Trump seems to be special in that he has nearly a monopoly, where as others would probably be in stronger competition and stuck splitting the populace.
My point is that anyone can be conned by the right con man. Our status as Trump opposers does not render us immune to malicious deceit.
I don’t mean to excuse the trumpists entirely. I’m just pointing out that without Trump to focus them, they don’t become radicalized, and never become a problem.
Trump voters are the victim of a con, but the con is bigger than Trump. Conservatism in general is a con that needs misinformation networks like talk radio, fox news, facebook groups, etc. Without having been steeped in that bullshit for 40+ years, Trump would never have succeeded. It’s the whole ecosystem that’s doing the radicalization, not just Trump.
Trump will ALWAYS be able to Run! He’s the FASTEST runner! Some people say he should be in the Olympics at running but he’s too nice to let those Younger Folks have all the Glory. Trump could be DEAD and his Legs will STILL be kicking and trying to Run right out of his Grave! He’s in the BEST shape of ANYONE probably in the Entire World!
I don’t see how he can live that long.
I would hope he would fade away. But between the need for grifted money and ego I doubt he will stop until he physically can’t any more.
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He’ll be in prison or dead.
Action->Reaction.
Reaction against Obama put Trump in, right?
Reaction against Trump put Biden in, right?
I hope Harris wins, but the world-economy is being flushed, with exponential-force, down the sewer, & NO incumbent survives that kind of thing ( backlash-vote ),
AND as the book “The Big Sort” apparently explains, the cultural-segregation that mass-media push so hard creates intolerance.
Which, of course, when escalated by mass media of various alignments, keeps amplifying ( feedback-loops ) until … genociding.
The locking-Anglos-out in Quebec ( we no longer have any access to goverment phone-services in English ) is simply an earlier stage of divide-and-genocide than whan the US is in, but … it’ll get there.
Whether unconsciously or consciously, the heads of Quebec are committed to turning Canada into another Russia/Ukraina, Israel/Palestine, Deep-South racism kind of thing, in a generation or 2, for whatever they win/gain in accomplishing that.
IF Trump doesn’t win 2024, then Civil War begins in 2028, +/- a very-few months, & continues until the US is butchered-carrion.
It’s far too late to save the US: the real problem is that Animals-and-Tribes-Time mode of Kahneman1 mind ( imprint->reaction ) has already successfully highjacked the country.
As … Glubb, was it? realized, empires die at about 2.5-centuries.
There’s a book “How to Hide an Empire” on the American Empire, so anybody who wants to pretend that all the machiavellian interventions ( remember when Iraq’s intervention backfired, because they didn’t want to be a puppet-state, & wanted self-determination? That was noticed openly in some news item or other, back then… I’d not have clued-in to it, on my own, buth then, through the years… there are puppets of lobbies, aren’t there? & these lobbies work to enforce that accountability never get near them… … whatever: if humankind isn’t viable, & Natural Selection extinguishes humankind, then humankind’s herdbeast games, bullying & majority-domination, & minority-beaten/broken, same as in herds anywhere … we were supposed to be upright-human, you know? if we failed The Great Filter, well, then too bad: we earn what we earn… )
So, the identity of the ruling-class has sooo completely mismatched the actuality of the empire, now, that it’s incapable of surviving.
Same as Rome, Britain’s empire, etc…
12-13 generations, & … kaput.
The Big ( cultural ) Sort seems to be the mechanism, but DarkHexad { narcissism / machiavelianism / sociopathy-psychopathy / nihilism / sadism } is cultivated, if not directly-grown, by privilege-caste, & … well, that’s a feedback-loop too, isn’t it?
Concentration-of-privilege, concentration-of-wealth, which “says” “trickle-down economics”, but is gaslighting…
which “says” “charity”, but … when you see that literally millions of DONATED $ are pocketed by the executives of the US’s United Way … that woke socialist feminist convicted-felon Yehoshua “Jesus” ( Iosa, in Roman/Latin, I’ve been told by an actual Roman-born person ) benJoseph already laced into fake-charity, 2 millenia ago…
Part of the problem is that it isn’t a single problem: it’s actually a fractal and chaotic anti-fragile/robust mesh of problems, which all mutually-reinforce…
Narcissism conserves “validity” & excludes all it can, to prove how “exclusive” its “validity” is, right? Anti-compassion. Sociopathy is … exactly that, isn’t it?
Feedback-loop…
How can “trickle-down economics”, or “compassion for the privileged-caste/class’s inferiors” ( note the contempt in their “charity”… I was born into the upper-middle-class, & it took 7+ years of accumulated homelessness for me to crack the identity-underlying-ego that that ideology/prejudice, as all “race”, “class”, & “gender” is, in social-process, enough for me to get to some kind of objective-honestly, more than a decade later… )
The action->reaction cycle cannot be stopped, postponed, or prevented: US of A is finished.
I hope that Kamala Harris makes this last “calm before the storm” be as spiritually-thriving as she can, enforcing an increase in state-integrity, against lobbies’ undermining of everything, but it doesn’t change the pogrom/tantrum that’ll destroy about 2/3 of the US’s population in … approximately 7y from when it begins ( that is just one of the natural human-cycles, because it’s a cycle that our unconscious-mind “works” at: it’s too “stuck” to work quicker… )
You know how sometimes you have a grandparent or relative or friend or other-family, someone whom you really care about, & cancer/whatever’s killing them?
& there’s nothing you can do??
Objectively, that’s what’s happening with the US: it’s fatal, it’s implacable, only our relationship with its process, & outcome, & the way we make the process enact, can we change…
We can’t prevent the death.
We can’t prevent the reaping of the consequences of our previous-generations’ “sowing” carelessness in education, or in accommodating the “surrender” ( technical-only, not honest/total ) of the KKK/Confederates, who’ve now done to much of the country exactly what McDonnell Douglass’s beancounter-culture did to Boeing ( a “reverse takeover” )…
What has been sown, is going to be reaped, to use the Christian rendition of what the older religions call “karma”.
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Beginning of Part 2…
Here’s an example, which is different-enougn in context, that it becomes culturally easier to see the forest & the trees:
IF the U.N. had enforced that in Palestine NO political/ideological warping/deforming of ANY civil service, of ANY social service, of ANY regulatory-process or rule, of ANY judging, enforcing, education, of ANYthing,
essentially force-suffocating ideological ( Kahneman1 mind, mere-animal mind, read “Thinking Fast and Slow” by Daniel Kahneman & see that the whole world is forcing itself into an ocean-of-tantrum/pogrom, as ClimatePunctuation begins ramping-up through the next few decades )…
force-suffocating ideological-highjacking & ideological-undermining, & holding that force-suffocating in-place for a hard minimum of 2 generations, possibly 4…
( any “leaks” that accommodate ideological warping to displace considered-reason/Kahneman2 mind massively compromise/undermine the force-suffocation of that unconscious-mind-current which wants total-dominion of our lives/world … and we let it have that dominion!
Foolish idiocy, which costs lives… )
So, after hard-disallowing of Kahneman1/imprint->reaction/mere-animal mind’s rule for enough generations, then the ideology/prejudice ( 2 sides of the same “coin” ) … is force retired from authority, & the objective-generations have filled-in the roles, & … then, eventually, a tipping-point is crossed, where it becomes self-sustaining/robust, see?
Anyways, Israel AND Hamas both wouldn’t allow that, in Palestine.
As I’ve said before, what Hamas did in their assault of Israel was very DarkHexad: they sociopathically sacrificed all Palestinians for sake of the inevitable genociding-reaction from Israel, which, of course, will enforce that the Muslim world will focus until its reaction to Isreal’s genociding becomes absolute, & then … & then the prophecy in the Christian bible, that Israel gets annihilated comes true. Sometime before 2036 it’ll happen, probably in the 2028-2036 period…
Here’s a window into that particular bit:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A11-21&version=AMP
The “standing in the holy place” of Daniel … that was his inner place, his place of Faithing on what he knew as G-D, what I’d call OceanOfAllAwakeSouls, since my whole cosmology is different, but that particular infinity is itself…
Anyone who stands in earned holiness within their meaning ( a hormonic of meditation, or, to phrase the same suchness from a different “angle”, a lower-harmonic of G-D: it’s itself, differnet cultures label things differently.
It doesn’t matter that Daniel was Jewish, or Atisha was definitely not, culturally: each earned some remarkable truths, by “standing in the holy ‘place’ within their deeper meaning” and it’s the same for all: earn it, & it’s one’s own meaning.
Fail to bother, & it isn’t, see? : )
So, Hamas sacrificed all Palestinians’ world, for sake of a genociding that would happen later, in reaction against Israel’s genociding of Palestine & Palestinians…
Which is more-machiavellian? Isreal of Hamas?
Both, sadly.
Which is more sociopathic/psychopathic?
Both, sadly…
you get the picture.
There’s a “little” ebb/flow, which makes it look like the herd-beast ( our unconscious-ignorance nature ) sometimes is stronger, sometimes is weaker,
but it’s actually that our underlying limbic/herdbeast nature is ebbing & flowing in seeming present, or seeming dominant, but it’s just the appearance that’s changing, not the underlying substance.
Steven Pinker foolishly bet on the appearance, in “The Better Angels of our Nature”, it looks like.
He holds that violent-aggression just diminished sooo fundamentally, that that trend must continue!
No, he was looking at the slope of a “wave”, & falsely-extrapolating that the wave wouldn’t “return”.
Until the tantrum/pogrom is finished, whether any survivors live, or not, our unconscious-mind’s ignorance is committed to BREAKING all our world/lives/everything to its dominion/lordhood…
Same as any toddler.
The fact that our ignorance can outright-kill the entire biosphere, now, isn’t sufficient to cause upright/maturity/transformation-in-our-unconscious-substance: only experience-induced-understanding can,
& the only experience which can induce/enforce understanding of our ignorance-nature is… action->reaction… being beaten to near-death by it, until its force forces our unconscious-mind-substance to transform from impenetrable-ignorance to … among the few survivors of The Great Filter, if there are any … transforms into a kind of “sublimation”, changing humankind’s survivors into people who ARE fundamentally different from our generation…
Russia/Ukraina, Israel/Palestine, Deep-South-white-supremacists-and-“christian”-supremacists/all-who-aren’t-white-supremacists/“christian”-supremacists, Anglophones or Francophones against the other, Yugoslavia, if you’re old enough to remember that, South Africa’s apartheid, … it’s the same damn fundamental-script, just with little variations, for centuries & centuries & centuries of our history: WE HAVEN’T CHANGED yet.
And THAT is The Actual Problem™.
ClimatePunctuation’s simply going to exponentially explode the intensity, the number-of-factors, the violent-reaction-to-food-insecurity, etc…
The Perfect Storm, iow.
See how the butchering of Russia by Putin is working? Civil-rights less & less…
same as in Israel…
same as in the Deep South…
same as in the polarization in Europe, with the far-right growing strength to re-create nazism’s possession of it…
Asia’s got its equivalents, Africa too ( did you know that Mussolini stole fascism from Marcus Garvey, a Black African nationalist? he had no problem with collaborating with the American white-supremacists: segregation was wanted by both, right? )
Until human-nature is force-changed, profoundly/fundamentally, then the cause of all this world’s problems remains in control of the world, & the effects can appear “better” or “worse”, but the unbroken-toddler’s still driving our bus…
Force-growing-oneself up into fundamental uprightness, facing into karma, seems the only sane method, to me…
At least one can change one’s own Eternity, then, right?
if everyone else among this world rejects self-transformation, because “the kingdom of god is without”, as the materialists are certain, as the parable of “the prodigal son” symbolically-represented…
but it isn’t without: it’s within, & the only way to earn it is to conquer one’s own unconscious…
and that is waht humankind’s ignorance won’t allow, or tolerate…
correcting/removing the cause of all our world’s major problems…
So, Natural Selection is going to enforce the issue into significance in the rest of this century.
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Between his unhealthy lifestyle and increasing cognitive decline I’m not sure he’s going to be alive in 2028.
Every month I’m amazed he made it to the end.
You think that thing, held together by duct tape and bobby pins, is living to 2028?
He’ll be dead by then. His father lived to 95 or something but Trump proudly admits he doesn’t exercise and he eats like shit. The best healthcare in the world can only keep a guy like that alive for so long before a lifetime of bad habits catch up to him.
Fun fact: Trump once claimed the human body is akin to a battery, and that exercising only decreases our lifespan. I wish I was joking.
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hopefully all this alt right nonsense is just a phase, I can’t see my life improving if its not the case.
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i don’t think this guy dying would change much in the republican party since they have had a plan in motion for decades… but fascists dying is always cool and a net positive for the world.
also political violence is when you separate children from their families, advocate for ruining lives of minorities… shooting someone who does that is just self defense.
Yeah, remember when Hitler stopped being a fascist dictator when we asked him nicely?
I’m not joking
Come on Kyle, we spoke about this already.
Either he’ll run and keep ripping the Republican party to shreds, or he’ll drop dead. Either way, it’s a win.
You’d think it would be a win, but honestly Trump is a clown. More “centrists” who detest Trump might rally around someone like DeSantis, that’s what I’m afraid of.
Desantis has the charisma of a wet napkin though, he was basically laughed out of the last Republican Primary for being weird and off-putting
I’m far more concerned about the rise of Nazism and Monarchism in the USA. Even if we never have a Republican in any governing office again and the country continues to move further and further left, America has a lot of work to do to ensure these forms of tyrrany are never even considered as a viable alternative to Democracy.
The fact that these forms of governance survive in the hearts and minds of people is an indicator of a larger and more complex societal failing that spans the entire history of America. This is not some strange short term flash in the pan of Nazism and Authoritarianism, it is an insidious and vile tradition passed down from generation to generation, and we have only staunched it’s slow cancerous growth by publicly shaming those who voice these views publicly. Obviously this has proven ineffective.
I think a more important question than whether one particularly sad excuse for a sad sack of shit may run for president again, is how do we make sure the Trump dynasty, and all dynasties, fade into obscurity until the last remnants of their legacy is a footnote that indicates we lived in a time period when humans, due to many generations of hoisting up those with the most lust for power into positions of power, nearly destroyed themselves. How do we make that happen?
Facism - and that is what Trumpism ultimately is - has always been fuelled by declining social security and rising social inequality. This provides the matrix for an ideology of us vs. them that is ultimately a distribution battle in a declining economy. Unless the USA (as well as many other nations esp. in Europe) solves this issue sufficiently well for the people at large, I see little hope for Trump or any of his clones to disappear from the political stage. That is also why the right is so eager to frame any initiative that aims to mitigate social precariousness as radical left/communism/socialism.
Good grief, he’s too old now!