I was already entertaining the idea of a Lemmy switch after they announced the imminent death of my beloved RiF. Lemmy was mentioned many many times in the 3rd party app threads discussing the api changes.
They went ahead and hastened my transition by permabanning me (and two of my alts) for “report abuse” since I dared to regularly report all the obvious spam bots that filled so many subs. Meh. I could have made more alts but really just didn’t give a fuck at that point. Sure hope Spez’s pedo ass enjoys his already failing IPO.
I jumped ship when Joey for reddit was discontinued. I downloaded connect first and now I’m solidly in the Sync camp haha. Loving it so far but like anyone else O miss the community structure.
Honestly started using Mastodon right at the start of the Twitter announcements, although I had never used Twitter. I was getting worried about where most things online were trendeing and tended to use reddit for a big chunk of my online browsing. I wasn’t really expecting reddit to implode so quickly after Twitter, but as I was already using mastodon another federated platform seemed good to join
I used reddit exclusively in the browser, but the admins declaring their empty box full of free labor would not tolerate the slightest backsass from that unpaid workforce was a sign to head for the exits.
Not aided by how many communities there (and here) think “be nice or else” is a sane policy. Appropriate behavior often involves telling someone they’re being an asshole and they need to stop. If moderators want to be the only ones who get to do that… they better be on that shit immediately and always. Otherwise the rule just shields deliberate abuse from conversational rebuke.
A community about knitting can expect “friendly.” Politics are different. If you expect political discussion to be both polite and constructive, sometimes you are mistaken. If assholes can keep repeating ‘well I don’t see the problem!’ in the face of repeated explanation, and you don’t let people speak like adults in the face of that childish trolling, those assholes are who the forum is for.
The reddit has become extremely toxic and irritating. Its price for api increase in a mad manner. Thats why i switched to fediverse at all meaning.
Am a user of lemmy, pixelfed and mastodon.
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The great reddit exodus of 2023 brought me here
Permanent Reddit ban
I was brutally honest on a political thread and got a suspension. Made another account and got the lifetime ban for subverting a suspension
Any opinion left of the democratic party will get you banned as well, don’t be presumptuous
Trust me I’ve experienced a lot more reactionaries than you
Lol. No. I was calling out Trumpers on their racism and hate in non politically correct terms
All good
When Reddit killed Apollo I deleted my ten year old account and never went back.
It all started when someone’s reddit AMA got canceled due to the protests…
Was sick of reddit and how happy they were to coddle nazis.
Went to the first place big enough to sustain conversation.
My web browser then Android apps.
Ah the ol’ “I’m gonna take this question strictly literally” response.
And thus, we can determine that he came from Reddit
Curiosity
Reddit has been in decline for over 10 years. It has been slowly getting worse and worse. I have been seeking a replacement for a long time.
About three and a half years ago I heard about Lemmy and made an account to check it out. Promptly forgot about it for a few years until reddit pissed me off again.
From the outset (2008 account, lurking a few months before that) they had a policy of “so long as it’s not illegal.” I found this admirable at the time. After T_D, yeah, not so much.
I would still find it admirable, but it isn’t possible to do something like that anymore.
I am one of those three principled civil libertarians. I joined Voat in mid-2015, then left some months later because frankly I didn’t actually like reading the things they tended to post there. I liked (out of a principled commitment to free speech) that they were allowed to post them, that doesn’t mean I wanted to read that stuff.
It’s entirely possible to do something like that - the same way it was in 2008. Keep that shit separate.
You have to let users say “fuck off, Nazi.”
You have to find moderators who’ll see that and say “yeah, fuck off, Nazi.”
The site itself doesn’t need to do much of anything. Reddit’s smartest feature was the separation of communities, so people could largely ignore shit they didn’t want to deal with, and all the admins forbade was starting shit across communities. That way tiny subforums of decent people could be reasonably protected from interference by bastards, and tiny subforums of bastards could be kept irrelevant.
For example, the /r/Holocaust subreddit was run by and for Holocaust deniers, for years. Obviously that’s awful. But it affected approximately nobody, beyond the initial unpleasant surprise. There wasn’t some “trending” feature that fed unwitting users to Engagemagog, whenever people spoke negatively of the fuckers responsible. Early reddit was a site with Nazis, but very plainly not a site by or for Nazis. Decent people outnumber them by a huge margin. So long as they can safely spot, exclude, and tell off those bastards, the co-existence of bastards is tolerable.
Where deliberate neo-Nazi forums like Voat differ from that is in explicitly protecting the worst among them. They screech about freedom of expression but only ever mean the unquestioned ability to yell at the outgroup. That’s why none of them really like deliberate neo-Nazi forums. They can’t stand each other, either. They demand a captive audience of victims.
If people lack the freedom of association to stay the hell away from Nazis, your site exists to supply bigots with victims.
If people lack the freedom of expression to even tell Nazis to fuck off, your site exists to deliver those victims on a silver plate.
It is possible to hit a balance where intolerant bastards are tolerated, but treated in accordance with their beliefs by everyone sensible and kind. But it’s much simpler and easier to recognize that some beliefs aren’t worth protecting.
Also that article is predictably a mix of good insight and total crap. SSC has the worst double-reverse-zero-awareness both-sides-ism on the internet. ‘Fox lies and projects, but I dunno, maybe they were okay at some point. And as the right lost touch with reality, The Media™ really did develop a liberal bias, proving them right somehow.’ Nah. Identifying bullshit is not a bias. People getting more disgusted as assholes embraced fascism is not somehow to blame for people embracing fascism. If consistent human decency looks like “ghettoization” against Nazis, your perspective is fucked beyond all reason.
I am, unlike you, generally a fan of Scott Alexander, and I think he also got it right (more recently) that moderation is different from censorship. I am opposed to most censorship. I am not ever opposed to moderation.
A pleasant surprise from both of oh he means never actually removing content, just letting bastards operate sotto voce.
And still both-sides-ing “people you consider bad,” as if the reasons for censoring fascists, leftists, and anyone who criticizes the CCP are equally valid. I despise that “just because you disagree” framing of genocided fantasists versus… their victims.
And concluding that we should just do his thing, by default, and maybe he’ll listen if anyone wants to do something else. As if the concepts and their dangers are brand new.
Letting people organize on your platform has consequences. Getting together a labor union is fundamentally not the same thing as getting together a lynch mob.
Pretty sure they’re still openly okay with them. Not the reason I was looking to leave, though. Unlike a lot of people, I wasn’t scared of the Lemmy developers politics.
I think you’re misreading me. Racism, sexism, and homophobia weren’t the “politics” I was referring to, because you’re right, those aren’t politics, those are people being trash. I mean the Lemmy developers being socialists/communists didn’t deter me from making an account here, because I’m not some capitalism worshipping pigboy. Their hard-left politics (the kind that led them to banning transphobic EMPRESS) are not scary to me, because I’m not a racist, sexist, homophobic douchebag.
As for Reddit and its decline. Reddit has been managed by State actors for a long time. At least since 2013ish.
Example:
https://arxiv.org/abs/1402.5644
This is far from the only research paper around controlling discussions online produced by Eglin Air Force Base. They were the “most reddit addicted city” because they’re trying to massage the message into what they want it to be. They flood the site with persona management software and bots to influence the perception of what “people’s opinions are.”
If you’re in any way a leftist, this alone should have been enough reason to pack up and bail on it, because they are openly going out of their way to try minimize and hide voices like yours.
EDIT: Here’s another paper on the subject from EAFB, this is the one I 'member from long ago: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1402.5644.pdf
Sort of, I’d say I’m way more of a socialist than communist, but I also think that both capitalism and communism suffer from being very old ideas that actually don’t address issues of the modern world as much as they could. I think about the LGBT community, and remember that communism didn’t just forget they existed, they ran on the same macho bullshit that vilified them for existing as capitalism. Castro admitting he made a mistake in regards to LGBT people near his death bed is far too little, far too late for the lives they destroyed.
There are valid critiques of both communism and capitalism, but we’ve basically got worldwide capitalism, so the critiques of capitalism simply matter more since it represents the status quo. I’ll worry about critiquing more of socialism/communism when communists actually have real power worldwide beyond China, which is having it’s own struggles right now as well. (Also, most of the critiques of China I have seen fall under propaganda messages from the US/Europe, and fewer of them have real meat of critiquing the actual functions of Chinese politics and how they work.)
Also, when it comes to theory, I fell in line a little more with people who weren’t strictly communist, like the Situationists. Guy Debord is my pfp for a reason, and that’s because he was fucking brilliant, in my opinion. I have a dog-eared copy of Society of the Spectacle that has more notes in it than any other book I’ve ever read.
Anyway, yeah. I’d say socialism is as good of a “fit” for me as I can find in existing political ideologies, and even that is more a close fit than a perfect fit. I’m definitely a fan of Critical Theory and the idea that we should always critique the status quo, whatever the status quo may be, because there is no such thing as a perfect world, we can always pursue improvement. If we had worldwide communism, I’d promote critiquing that as well.
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They’re still okay with all of those things. They just got better are pretending they are not. For example, if you say something obviously sexist, you will be called out and downvoted. But if you say something sexist against someone that the hivemind already decided they don’t like, then it’s A-OK to be sexist.
See: Amber Heard v. Johnny Depp.
Because his PR team was aces, it’s apparently totally okay to say derogatory, sexist shit about her.
She’s not a good person but Jesus Christ neither is he. Celebrity culture is the worst.
It was the AMA that was the last straw for me, on top of everything before. It had been going downhill, but that was where I lost all hope it would improve.
The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.
Truth. Lemmy by design resists the influence of capital by being federated.
Unlikely considering their source of funding comes from various European governments.
Also, it’s not very easy to make open source closed source. The original Lemmy code and documentation is already out there. The only thing they could do would be to add new features that are all closed source. (This is what reddit does, as their old code is open source.) At best, it would be a fork of Lemmy with closed source elements.
They could make new updates to lemmy proprietary
Maybe not even that. Lemmy is released under the AGPL3. This means that modified versions of Lemmy have to also be released as free software under the AGPL3 or a compatible license. To release a derivative work under an incompatible license you would need to own the code or be given permission by each contributor to do so. For any contribution where you can’t make a deal with the author, you would have to rip it out of the codebase entirely. Note that this is true for lemmy devs as well. If there is no Contributor License Agreement that states otherwise, they cannot distribute the work of other contributors under an AGPL3-incompatible license.
Right, I was thinking the “collective authors”; and to be fair, a small contribution could be replaced if tracked properly. If there’s no CLA and there are a lot of significant contributions by various individuals you’re absolutely right that it becomes impractical to the point that it wouldn’t happen.
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That’s what sold it for me.
I don’t mind if reddit wants to make some money on their API, but giving app developers barely a month to respond, having insanely high prices, throwing away the relationships they built with app devs, and not responding to community feedback around the issue at all was all too much.
