Since Lemmy is federated, and the admins of each instance choose what’s allowed and what’s not in their own instance.
How do you feel about what’s allowed and what’s not in your current instance ?
I’ll start: I’ve read people complaining about my instance admins, but I haven’t experienced nor seen anything I specifically disagree with.
And I’ve read things they wrote that I absolutely agree with, like not federating with Meta under any circumstances.
So for now, I’m happy with it. If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.
It’s a little high for my tastes, notably in blocking piracy communities from other servers. I don’t even care to participate in them; it’s a matter of principle.
Ditto. SDF feels very nerdy and comfortable.
My instance has no censorship and federates with all, and moderation only happens for obvious illegal content, not someone having an opinion that is not popular.
To me, it’s what the fediverse is supposed to be, so very happy.
Same
My instance is great.
If I get banned randomly, I don’t think I’d go to a different instance, though. I’d probably just stop visiting Lemmy altogether.
In that case check the modlog and if it’s unreasonable why not try out another instance?
If there is any I have not noticed it.
No issues here
You’re on one of, if not the most heavily censored instances and you should try something else out
I generally disagree. Lemmy.ml is more broadly federated than slrpnk.net or Lemmy.world, as an example, so really it’s just “censorship” of a different bias and a different manner. All instances “censor,” whether it be removing content that breaks the rules or defederating from instances that are ideologically opposed. This is especially prevalent on Lemmy, as the demographics largely fall ideologically into either the liberal camp, the Marxist camp, or the Anarchist camp, and these camps are concentrated on different instances.
Correct on being more federated yes. ml and world are both just too heavy handed with overzealous mods IMO. I’ve started using a couple other accounts that are on instances more federated and less moderated as well
More gets removed from Lemmy.ml as a consequence of its own broad federation, which appears as overzealousness.
Say something about the Big C and you get hit with a message from admins.
They’re not on .world, where you can get instance banned for suggesting Ukraine might lose or trump isn’t marginally worse than Harris.
World and ml are both really bad for the same reasons just different sides yes
You really have to try to get banned in ml. You’ll get banned on world for disagreeing with the US Democrats.
I haven’t been banned from either, but I have had .ml mods remove comments speaking negatively of hexbear based on completely imaginary rules that aren’t listed anywhere. Meanwhile, in that same discussion, hexbear users were brigading me and making literal death threats and their comments were allowed to remain.
Or banned for asking why something was removed and quoting the mod log
Just in case anyone needs to investigate what instances are federated/defederated from each other.
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Delighted. Constructive or helpful disagreements are encouraged, and the mods ensure that I hardly ever encounter a bigot.
The automated censorship that keeps out CSAM and blatant trolling and scams? I love it.
The moderation that’s done over the whole instance. That’s understandable as it’s a large attack surface for regulatory or state actor interference.
The community mods, that depends on the /c and honestly it’s the same as it’s ever been. It’s wildly variable from person to person.
You might consider crossposting this to similar communities on other instances. .ml has quite the reputation for censorship, so that’s definitely going to shape the responses you get here.
Lemmy.world also has a reputation for censorship, what actually happens is different instances fall into different ideological camps and tend to defederate and remove/ban that which does not affirm the dominant ideology of the instance. Lemmy.ml gets a bad reputation from Lemmy.world and adjacent communities because Lemmy.ml is far more broadly federated and thus removes more rulebreaking content, generally.
Recognizing bias is a necessary part of the fediverse experience, everyone is biased in some direction and defederation provides a more subtle means by which to “censor.” One could say Lemmy.world has banned all of Hexbear through defederation, which is more heavyhanded than Lemmy.ml ever has been. All this means is that Lemmy.world is more subtle with its own censorship and Lemmy.ml more overt.
I got banned from a community for saying I wasn’t going to call a vagina a front hole. Apparently that’s transphobic.
No, you were banned for being bigoted because, checking the mod log, you are hostile to trans and disabled people and considered transwomen to be dangerous to ciswomen. Your mod log is public.
That’s not true at all - just because a mod writes it - doesn’t make it fact. I explained myself in those posts. Anything over in these instances is immediately deemed transphobic whether it is or not. If you don’t fall in line 100%, and want to have any kind of opinion - it’s immediately labeled transphobic and removed.
Yes, I am going off of your posts and comments, not the mod reasons.
Well you’ll be reading them from the mod log, because they are all deleted – they aren’t transphobic at all; I mention trans identities being overrepresented in media, and pushed towards being introduced to younger and younger children. That’s not hostile to trans individuals. That’s arguing for a limit to sexual identify politics being introduced to children. But literally – again – If I don’t 100% agree, like you’re doing here – it’s labeled as something else and deleted. ANYWHERE else, besides here, those comments would stay - and others would agree with my assessment. Whereas lemmy is heavily militant when it comes to removing opinion if it “offends” someone.
The mod log displays your comments and posts as they were when they were deleted. You can freely read what was removed and why.
As for your comments now, they are again transphobic. “Overrepresentation” is a nonsense issue, your issue is that trans individuals are centered in media despite making up a minority of the population does not actually matter. Stories are not meant to center people perfectly proportional to demographics, such a mechanism ends up reinforcing existing power dynamics and plays into transphobia.
Additionally, children learning that trans people exist is not going to “turn them trans” or harm them, just like children learning gay people exist will not harm them. This is more transphobic nonsense. Your opinions are removed because they are harmful and perpetuate transphobic narratives that directly harm trans individuals.
Thank you, I mostly just wanted to quickly point out the weaknesses of asking such a question here and only here, but I really appreciate your reply. I was not in a position to elaborate at the moment, so I really do appreciate someone else elaborting & providing additional perspectives, and while we may not necessarily see eye to eye, I think you’ve pointed out some differences (in a relatively neutral way) that are important for users to be aware of when they navigate the various instances.
While I’m posting from .world, this was never intended as my “primary” account. My “primary” account was on kbin, and now that I’ve accepted that kbin isn’t coming back, I’ve been wanting to move somewhere else for my main account, but life + ADHD + too many choices has been getting in the way of that, and many other things I need to do. I hate signing up for things, so I’m hoping my next instance will be a good fit for me for a good while.
Lemmy.ml gets a bad reputation because they treat disagreement, trolling, and bigotry as interchangeable. They never seem to mind their own users twisting any argument beyond recognition - but sighing ‘I don’t want to deal with this anymore’ is unconscionably rude and must be punished.
Ideological bias is not the same thing as hypocritical enforcement of bad rules. And ‘be nice or else’ is a fucking terrible rule, no matter how consistently it’s applied. Sometimes “fuck off” is the right answer. Sometimes people really are assholes, and deserve to hear it, and the hierarchy of a leftist space declaring themselves the only people allowed to exercise that force is deeply ironic.
What censorship?
Can you point us to some disagreements the people in your instance have had with moderators? Do you have any specific links for us to view? If censorship is happening I’d like to know more about it.
I’m an instance owner (it’s very small) and the only thing I don’t tolerate is hate messages and subversive spam (“www,BuyGoldHere123,Spam,me”). I haven’t yet needed to delete anything my users created.
Can you point us to some disagreements the people in your instance have had with moderators? Do you have any specific links for us to view? If censorship is happening I’d like to know more about it.
No because there aren’t any. There are very few active users on WG and I have no desire for it to ever become very big. I originally created it for myself to experiment with and I don’t really promote or advertise the instance itself even though people are welcome to join.
The people who have joined tend to share common interests so things have mostly remained the same as when it was just me. The “walled” part of WG is more or less the application process itself, since it removes easy access for troll and bot accounts.
I’m an instance owner (it’s very small) and the only thing I don’t tolerate is hate messages and subversive spam (“www,BuyGoldHere123,Spam,me”). I haven’t yet needed to delete anything my users created.
I’ve seen some of these spam posts in our communities before but always from outside instances. They are very easy to keep under control and I wouldn’t consider that censorship, just garbage removal.
Ironic instance name for one you’re implying is uncensored.
Ironic instance name for one you’re implying is uncensored.
I think it’s quite fitting for federated social media.
I have encountered very little if any at all
From what I’ve read, in our instance, it’s being critical of China that gets you banned.
But I don’t know how much of that is people being straight-up racist/xenophobic and then conflating it with being critical.
Why don’t you try saying something critical of China but not racist, and see if it gets removed?
Why don’t you try saying something critical of China but not racist, and see if it gets removed?
Me? Sure.
The Tianamen Square Massacre was shameful.
And look at that, it didn’t get removed
The brave Tianamen Square posters here envision themselves as their mythological ideal of Tank Man, which they invented without so much as even watching the video of the guy and the tank.
It sure was, those American backed separatists that stole military weapons should be ashamed of themselves for killing that many people before the army could respond.
You guys are so obsessed with America.
Stop trying to be the centre of the world for five minutes.
No but literally the CIA infiltrated the college at the square, lead the assault, and provided the weapons.
It’s the second IME. We talk all the time about our concerns with the CPC, our hopes and disappointments with their foreign policy, and our thoughts on their political/economic situation. Critically discussing China is pretty much half of what we do in the news comm.
The people who say “I was banned just for being critical of China” never seem to want to specify what those criticisms were, but every time you go looking through the modlog you find the same shit: Commie hivemind spy balloon Winnie the Pooh uyhgur tinyman square. It’s like going up to some people talking about Korea and saying “don’t you weirdos know that they eat rats and push the trains by hand”? It’s not just the propaganda that gets them banned; everyone starts out full of propaganda, and most people here will paitently clarify things for you if you ask. No, it’s the smug doubling and tripling-down on ignorance at every turn that gets them the boot. Then they run back to their home instance to tell the story of how the tankies murdered them, and the mythology builds.
Example of someone being banned from Hexbear pretty much for saying “somehting is going on with the Uyghurs” – https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13910
Americans are so heavily inundated with anti Chinese propaganda that they consider not being rabidly against China to be blind allegiance to the CPC.
Lemmy.ml does censor a lot of profanity, but other than that it doesn’t seem any more or less overtly heavyhanded on censorship than other instances.
That being said, I suppose self-censorship among the community is another factor to consider as well, as I’ve seen a lot of instances purge their own versions of wrongthink depending on which mod is on a power trip.
Yeah the profanity censorship can be a bit weird but its nice that I don’t see slurs
Mostly I haven’t had issues with it, I was banned from an egg_irl community on one instance, I forget which, for not espousing violence though.
