I really want a Facebook (the old Facebook timeline) replacement, but end-to-end encrypted, and decentralised so there’s longevity.

Edit for clarity: I’m looking for a way to share things online, end-to-end encrypted to a wide-audience that knows you but doesn’t necessarily know each other.

This is why messaging apps don’t fulfil this requirement, and chat rooms (like Matrix) also don’t fit.

I love Lemmy, I like the idea of Mastodon (twitter-like sites just aren’t my thing. ActivityPub rocks. However, none of them are encrypted.

PixelFed is neato, but I don’t plan sharing my personal photos with the whole of the internet, which seems to be the only choice with ActivityPub.

Signal and other encrypted messaging apps are great, but are for direct messaging. Where are the encrypted social media apps?

Matrix is cool and all, but it’s aimed at groups. Like discord / MS teams replacement.

Someone told me about Futo Circles, which seems to tick all the boxes and built on top of Matrix, but it’s currently abandoned.

Are there any other alternatives? My wallet is open, I would very much like to use such an app. I am no programmer, so sadly cannot take on the mantle of continuing the Futo Circles project.

  • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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    4 months ago

    Are the blogs end-to-end encrypted? It seemed to imply that they are public.

    Futo Circles describes what I’m after well: “a good way to share things with lots of people who don’t all know each other, but they all know you.”

    This is where going a group is not what I’m after, as that’s what Matrix would be good for.

      • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Yes, I’m saying Matrix doesn’t satisfy my requirements of what I’m looking for, sadly :/

          • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
            1·
            4 months ago

            There’s nothing conflicting about it. It’s not a public timeline, it’s “public” only to people you’ve added, no one else, including the server that would host your content.

            Basically old Facebook (sharing just to your friends), without the spying, is what I’m asking for.

            You would manage who can access what, by allowing/not allowing people to follow you

            It’s not a group abstraction, at least for the user, since you’re not asking everyone to join the same group, and see each other’s content. Only yours, and in turn theirs.

            Matrix is basically a group chat with bells and whistles, which is really nice, but isn’t what I’m looking for.

              • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
                11·
                4 months ago

                decrypt your message, you will have to add them to a group that you will have to manage it

                Yeah, I’ll convince them to join a service/download an app, join a server etc, but not necessarily the same group (in the sense that they won’t see each other’s stuff, just mine and whoever else they add). The wide audience I’m talking about is all the people I add, not the whole internet.

                I’m essentially proposing a mass e2ee encryption messaging service, with a UI that amalgamates it into a single feed AND that people can customise what they’re notified for. (This is the concept upon with Futo circles is built, I’m not making this up our of whole cloth)

                Like what Facebook is. Except, end to end encrypted.

                Or hell, what WeChat moments is, except end-to-end encrypted.

                  • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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                    4 months ago

                    Ok, I don’t know how else to explain. What you are asking (“A public timeline that anyone can follow, except end-to-end encrypted”) is physically impossible.

                    I never even said what you’re quoting. I said a timeline anyone who you’ve connected with can follow. You’re correcting me for something I haven’t once asked for. I only tried correcting your misunderstanding of what I asked for.

                    How would keep a single timeline where the messages you sent are only visible to your friends, but not visible to your friends’ friends?

                    The same way you can mass text people, and only the people you sent messages can see it but not each others responses? Unless they forward your messages, which there is no workaround, save for making it difficult with the UI. There doesn’t need to be a way to prevent sharing your stuff. You choose to trust the people you add, there’s no way around that.

                    The answer is: you don’t. You can not do that. You need to have a separate room for the contacts that you want to make your pictures available. Your contacts need each to have their own room for the contacts that they need to have available.

                    Yes, I agree, in the backend. As mentioned, this is how Circles says it tackles the issue. And as mentioned, they will have a room each for every contact they add (in the backend).

                    To view the feed, yes you can consolidate all posts into one single view. But when you post something, you will need to define which rooms will see the content, and the message will be duplicated across the different rooms. You can bet that Futo does not gets rid of this abstraction.

                    No, I agree, Futo doesn’t get rid of this abstraction, it’s exactly how they do it in the back end.

                    I am asking for Facebook, but without the spying from Facebook, this is technically possible. It’s been made, just sadly abandoned.

                    I don’t know why you want to prove me wrong so badly: https://github.com/circles-project

    • poVoq@slrpnk.netEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      No they are not end to end encrypted, but you can restrict access to subscribers only and if you self-host it, e2ee isn’t really needed.

      • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        if you self-host it

        This is antithetical to mass adoption if to get end-to-end encryption you need to self host :/

        I’m not saying the service you’ve shared is bad, just it’s not what I’m looking for