Let’s say that you have an opportunity to gain billions to fix the society from the top. Do you think that you would keep your integrity and use your money for the greater good, or that you would be corrupted by your power?
If so, would you still accept the offer knowing that you would just make the situation worse?
And if you believe in yourself, how would you try to convince an hypotetical entity to give you this wealth?
To avoid regrets let’s say that if you decline the offer your memory about the deal gets erased.
I would trust myself to spend it
I mean, i might end up playing it a lil too much and it might get in the way of the tasks i should be doing. But eventually I’ll either finish it or get bored so even if that does happen it won’t be the world.
I would be assassinated long before I could deliver a world that deserves to exist.
Give me the money, it will be wild.
I’d maybe be better, but I’d still have a kickass life.
Egotistical altruism… Yes.
The better that we can make everybody else’s life, the better your own life becomes in return.
i think super rich people do fucked up shit because:
- that’s the only way you become mega-rich, and
- they want more
if i already have ‘infinite’ money, why would i want more, and since i’m getting this via magic or something, there’s no incentive to be evil in order to become or remain mega-rich. in short, yeah, i reckon i’d be alright, and we’d all be better off in the long run.
- that’s the only way you become mega-rich
People have become billionaires by literal lottery. They’re not evil geniuses; don’t flatter them by suggesting so.
It’s actually really hard to get a billion dollars directly from the lottery.
You pay like 60% (or more maybe?) taxes if you take it as a lump sum. And still lots of taxes if you annuitize it, and then it will take too long to be a billionaire unless you win it in your 20s maybe.
You also have to win a full billion in the first place, and someone else pointed out the highest winnings are actually juust short. So, technically I was wrong, although the point still stands.
There’s been several winning jackpots over a billion now. There was one a couple weeks ago.
Yeah, but apparently they’ve all been split a few ways.It’s a distinction without a difference, but there you go.
Are you saying the jackpot, or the one time cash out value which is always less than the annuity value? Because those are different things. And there’s several jackpot values that were single tickets above 1 bln
Ah shit, you’re right. I was reading the table wrong.
Okay, so the top one is actually a two billion jackpot that came out to just below a billion due to the way the cash is awarded.
Lottery winners don’t often stay wealthy forever though
True. Then again, you don’t hear a lot about the Carnegies anymore either. Social mobility just works in both directions, and about as often.
Social mobility just works in both directions, and about as often.
Yeah, no, that’s a massive streaming pile of self soothing bullshit that isn’t convincing anyone but you.
You want to have a look at the hard numbers? Give me a moment to gather sources. Basically, it’s a random walk, and the ever-worse inequality is induced by the upper end “spreading out”.
I’m below the poverty line myself, BTW. I am not one of the winners who would need to self-sooth.
that doesn’t typically end well for most of them either
according to this list, nobody has gotten a billion from a lottery, yet. but sure, i guess that is the way to get rich, without having to exploit others. i also feel like i ought to point out that i never accused anyone of being evil geniuses, just evil.
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Birth lottery maybe
Ah, just $997.6m. My bad, I guess.
Yeah, but there’s plenty of nasty mean poor people, too. If you put that incomprehensible wealth on a lack of morals you’re basically painting them as a Lex Luthor figure who can just choose to outmaneuver everyone else. Meanwhile, there’s pretty strong statistical evidence the ones that didn’t win literal lotteries just won figurative ones.
You don’t become a billionaire by pure luck though, you need to seek out situations that could make you rich and then you need to get incredibly lucky (unless you are born into money of course).
Being the type of person that seeks out becoming that rich is going to have to do it at the expense of others.
It’s true, if you don’t play you can’t win. That being said, if you go through these people’s life stories they come across as very similar to the legions of entrepreneurs that didn’t strike it big.
Maybe what you’re saying is that everyone who’s tried to make big money is a bastard. I guess you could do that, but that’s not really the impression I’ve gotten of the startup dorks I’ve met.
Infinite? Nah. I’m sure I’d use the money for good but even well-intended I do think there is such a thing as too much intervention.
No. I believe that adage about absolute power corrupting absolutely. I don’t trust myself or any other single person with that kind of money.
I’d basically become Bill Gates without the monopoly.
People criticise the big philanthropists for skewing all the work there way, but that’s more a product of not enough funding elsewhere than of the foundations being bad themselves.
If you see Bill Gates’ philanthropy in a positive light, then his public relations machine has done a number on you.
- The Nation: Why Bill Gates’s Philanthropy Is a Problem
- Jacobin: Bill Gates’s Philanthropic Giving Is a Racket
- Adam Ruins Everything: Why Billionaire Philanthropy is Not So Selfless
- Citations Needed podcast:
- Episode 45: The Not-So-Benevolent Billionaire: Bill Gates and Western Media
- Episode 46: The Not-So-Benevolent Billionaire, Part II - Bill Gates in Africa
- News Brief: Big Pharma, Bill Gates Spin Against Generic Vaccines for Global South as Biden a No Show
- News Brief: #VaxLive is a PR Scam So Those Causing Vaccine Inequity Can Pose as Saviors of Global Poor
- Episode 146: Bill Gates, Bono and the Limits of World Bank and IMF-Approved Celebrity ‘Activism’
I did mention the criticisms there. Nobody else is stepping up to buy mosquito nets in the amount needed, though, so unsurprisingly Bill Gates gets to run the show, even when he has bad ideas.
I’d use the same tactics misinformation spreaders use to counter them. I’d buy all the media outlets I could and start forcing them to run left leaning and communist praising stories. I’d send the Murdoch’s a check with “Kill Yourselves” written across the envelope and then play the rich guy “Whoopsie!” when they try to get me in trouble. I’d establish permanent funding for public schools with an attachment; you have to investigate each child’s style of learning if you want the sweet 10 mil a pop. Honestly I think I can make every oligarch throw up and try to assassinate me.
As someone who is currently working at a company that has no problems of cash flow yet is still penny pinching, often on things that would actively save costs after an initial serious investment, yes, I would not change and most probably burn through that money to do positive things for people.
I also have a tendency to look as how things might happen down the road, so time is not really that much of a concern for me.
With so much money at my discretion, I can say with a fair degree of confidence I’d been putting money into projects amd initiatives I would most probably never benefit from their results.
But would I be popular or well liked in that endeavour? I seriously doubt.
I trust my will to do it. But I will fail for two reasons:
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I don’t fully understand humans. I will try a world that would be perfect if everyone would be like me. Problem? That’s not the world we live in.
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Even with all the money and a good plan I’m a bullet away from the ground. And I’m pretty sure anyone trying to fix things becomes a priority target right away.
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While the idea of the class traitor is one typically applied to the proletariat, it can also be used to describe members of the upper-class who believe in and espouse socialist ideals. For example, Peter Kropotkin, an anarcho-communist who wrote The Conquest of Bread, was born into a noble family. Additionally, Friedrich Engels, partner and lifelong friend of Karl Marx, the revolutionary socialist, was himself a son of a wealthy factory owner. Such people sacrifice their ability to be part of the capitalist upper-class for the sake of who they see as the oppressed, even if it hurts their status in the process.
Does “corrupted by power” cover mega building projects?
I don’t know where morality falls on my desire to build New Tenochtitlán.