The pro china/Russia stuff is super weird. Also the hex bear goons brigading everything.
It’s very easy for bots and fascists to have a voice here unfortunately
Everyone should have a voice to be honest. Shutting them out completely won’t help, it just creates a bubble. As a human species it’s important for us to communicate.
But yeah there’s definitely more of them here unfortunately.
Deplatforming harmful ideologies is shown to create a reduction in hate speech and harm overall.
Because of this, I am pro-defederation of hexbear. They can have a voice, sure, but it’s my choice if I want to listen
I believe it to a degree, but I think it’s also a problem because we can’t ever change their minds if we’re not talking with each other. If they’re stuck in a hate-filled bubble, they’re only going to enrage each other further and accept each other’s biases.
It’s a different story if they’re attacking other people based on their own beliefs, then they should absolutely be banned from the platform. And if enough of that happens, then at that point de-federation should be the option (which I guess is probably the stage we’re at)
I mean good luck changing any their minds. They are heavily entrenched and quite overly aggressive.
Regarding your first point, I think there’s more harm mitigated than rehabilitation opportunity lost by quarantining and thus limiting the outreach potential of extremists. The saner, less edgy parts of the Internet are easy enough to access and these people will come across them in due course if they are in a receptive mindset. Whereas I am completely comfortable making their weird little dens of groupthink harder to stumble upon by default.
Tankies.
You can’t have a discussion about anything without some tankie blaming it on Ukrainians / the west / capitalism, etc.
“Oh you stubbed your toe on the table? See, tables are oppressive furniture of the bourgeoisie. The Chinese government wanted to make all tables toe-stubbing resistent, but that would affect IKEA’s bottom line and the pharmaceutical industry’s profits. I have a source from tankiepeoplesmagazine to back this up.”
I almost never see this, but I see complaints about “tankies” all the time. I’m not even sure what a tankie is, but it seems about as stupid as the term “woke”.
Have a look at comments in any news article regarding Ukraine. They will simp for Russia just because they are not US allies.
A tankie is commonly used to refer to someone who blindly defends the actions of the USSR, China, North Korea, etc. Going as far as denying human rights abuses and genocide.
It’s not the same thing as woke.
I know it’s not the same as woke, the word just hits the same level of annoyingness for me.
I’m all for shutting down those who support Russia right now, I just feel like using buzzwords makes it more difficult to take people seriously.
The term goes back to the 50s and 60s, hardly a buzzword.
Sorry to tell you, but you’ve been living under a rock.
I never saw that word used until I came to lemmy. I had to look it up and found that exact same wiki page for it.
Just because its a real word with a wiki page doesn’t make it any less annoying to constantly see on here. And only here. I see that word on NO other sites I ever visit.
I’ve seen “tankie” in leftist discussions on multiple sites for ages before I joined Lemmy.
Just because its a real word with a wiki page doesn’t make it any less annoying […]
And just because you first encountered a word in some place doesn’t mean that word originated in that place.
It’s a very common word in leftist circles. So if Lemmy is your first contact with leftists (beyond center left), then that explains it.
Being annoying is your opinion, but it’s not a buzzword that someone from gen z invented recently.
I didn’t say it was a buzzword.
I’m in the US and “lefty” might mean something different for me than it does for you. Where I live and the sites I go on - have leftys on there but no, they never use the term tankie.
Annoying is an opinion yes, but I’m saying its annoying because of how often it is brought up. Not that I’m siding with tankies or people who are against tankies.
Anything that gets repeated over and over is going to come across as annoying. Unless you like redundancy.
What’s equally annoying is people who won’t shut up about “tankies.”
Honestly, everyone across this argument sucks. But I wold like to point out, that not a single “tankie” has complained about anything in the comments here.
You, however….
Yea, I’m with you … the most “annoying” think about tankies is all of the noise about them as though they’re some degenerate scum bringing down society.
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
People who support the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the CCP’s violations of human rights ARE degenerate scum bringing down society.
I am never going to stop whining about their presence.
It’s not hard to move past a political opinion you don’t like, or a big and hairy political debate you don’t have time/energy for. But it doesn’t mean a whole bunch of people have to be shunned/exiled because they happen to trigger your inability to do so … or that you have to whine about their presence all of the time.
Funny, you sound just like my uncle. Do you have confederate flags hanging up in your room too, like he does?
Shrugging off extremist views as “just a political opinion” that should be ignored if you don’t like it is like the #1 way to normalize and spread extremist views. You do not, and should not, politely ignore extremist. Doing so is explicitly allowing and inviting more into your community. Tankies can fuck off and I will continue to say so.
Well, the way I see it is that tankies are pretty much a minority without any power in the west, and, at least the ones I’ve seen around here, aren’t actively organising any sort of violent revolutionary behaviour or anything … which means their views tend to always be critiques of the powerful western governments and mainstream cultures form the perspectives of minorities, and often in ways that many in the mainstream find unpalatable, and therefore unconvincing. So, even if “extreme” (whatever you mean by that exactly) in some way, it’s a “punching up” kind of “extreme” that I’m open minded to hearing, however agreeable or disagreeable I tend to find their opinions.
Do you really think tankies are convincing? This thread, at least, indicates otherwise. So much “extremism” are they going to be spreading? IMO, the sort of “extremism” much more likely to spread is the sort of stuff driven by hate of some sort of “other” weaker and smaller than the mainstream as a scapegoat, not least because it’s more amenable to the worldview(s) of the larger and more powerful majority.
The “extremist views” I’m talking about is the support for authoritarian regimes that use draconian laws and excessive military force to enforce the law. Tankies often do support the subjugation of people they deem “lesser”, but unlike extremist on the far right, they often keep that part quiet.
The fact that you’re downplaying the extremity of Tankie talking points is a perfect example of how they are able to normalize their opinions by being allowed a voice in groups where their opinions should be shunned and shamed.
This is a great breakdown of the exact thing I’m talking about.. The video focuses on these tactics and how they are used by the alt-right, but this is not something exclusive to the right and is exactly what tankies are doing on lemmy.
saying it’s a good thing civilians are being tortured to death and bombed because they were born in the wrong place
I mean, who disagrees with you here … that’s the sort of stuff moderation and blocking is for.
But I can’t help but suspect (perhaps naively) that that’s your read of someone else’s opinion and not what they actually said or even intended to say, largely because it seems you’re projecting consequences onto a difference of principles/interpretations.
I have an entire conversation on here where the majority of Lemmy users told me democrats should start killing people.
Also, what fucking moderation?
I have an entire conversation on here where the majority of Lemmy users told me democrats should start killing people.
I gotta ask for receipts for that one. Also … what do you mean by “democrats should start killing people?”
Also, what fucking moderation?
Well however ineffective some may find it, moderation does occur on lemmy. But beyond that, my point was that an awful statement is an awful statement and should be dealt with accordingly. But it doesn’t necessarily mean that an entire political position thinks the same way and to infer as much without more would really just be prejudice.
It is kinda bs that republicans kill people constantly but democrats never do. The solution is ideally that republicans stop killing people though. I don’t think suddenly becoming just as murderous is a good idea unless we break out into literal civil war.
No they’re actively supporting it in a literal sense. Tell them Russia needs to stop killing civilians and they’ll say something about corruption needing to be purged (as if killing civilians will do that), or something about denazification (implying all Ukrainians deserve to be killed), or deny it’s happening despite all evidence
Hmmm … I think I might have seen a statement or two like that. Though, in my cases, it seemed a lot more like moving the goal posts or not arguing so well their general anti-western sentiment … I don’t think I’ve seen anyone go so far as to support the killing of civilians (in fact, I saw opposition to the deaths of civilians).
Do you have any receipts?
And, FWIW, my general position here is that I’m not a “tankie” or whatever and don’t necessarily like everything they have to say around here, but, by default I lean toward having access to a wide set of opinions so long as I have the option of walking away or ignoring them when I need to. The thing that disturbs me about a lot of the “anti-tankie” sentiments is that it looks a lot like an aggressive enforcement of a political bubble against any hardline critiques of the west. I, for one, am happy to hear said critiques even if they are off-base most of the time, in part because I have no doubt that we are all living in sometimes petty political bubbles.
That, of course, doesn’t excuse being awful … it’s just that I haven’t encountered the degree of awfulness that many speak about and whenever I’ve gone looking (which, admittedly isn’t deeply or often) I have struggled to find what has been accused. Because of this, I’m always curious to see what “anti-tankies” are talking about.
this is a thread specifically for complaining about stuff you don’t like.
don’t be so butthurt about it.
The funny thing is that u/Pratai@lemmy.ca is in lemmy.ca which defederated hexbear and lemmygrad so he won’t see the annoying tankies.
Wouldn’t care if I did. Because I don’t care what other people are into.
So complaining about too much complaining in a thread for complaining is too much complaining because it’s not the complaint you yourself have?
I too am able to complain about the complainants complaint. if you have a complaint concerning my complaint complaint complaint please don’t hesitate to post it as a response to this complaint
Well, I don’t mind if I do!! Fourth complaint is the charm?!
I made the mistake of mentionning social democracy once. This was followed by the most pedantic, insufferable and useless argument I have ever had on the internet. I had better discussions with wall. This was first and last time I was replying to those comments. It is easy to ignore anyway. Sometime you learn the hard way.
Omg, so much this. So fucking annoying.
It’s really goddamn preachy. There’s a real sense of superiority a lot of users have that I don’t recall as much on Reddit.
There’s also the fact that small communities are dead and it’s next to impossible to grow them, so you’re stuck with the same people on the front page every day.
Lots of wanna be communists that are well intentioned but have little real world experience
My wife studied sociology, that includes the work of gramchie, Dubois, Lenin, Marx.
I didn’t, but I got plenty of exposure. What’s clear to me is that hardly anyone actually knows what communism is. That includes Allies and opponents of it.
They all think they do. But they really don’t.
The bot spam is quite a bit worse, even when turning bots off
Extremism - Reddit as its share but also has millions of “normies” to balance things out. Here there doesn’t seem to be any moderates.
The platform itself is dysfunctional and will prevent any real growth in average users.
Just TOO many Linux fanboys/martyrs, it is a good OS but damn stop trying to go full on religion with it.
What is a tankie?
someone who’s into communism less for the equality and more for the dictatorship
IE, someone who likes the authoritarian governments who incorrectly call themselves communist.
People who don’t want to solve the problem, they just want their turn on top.
If anything Lemmy users so far have been much less annoying than most reddit users. I feel like I’m reading through less garbage, and comment sections don’t look like the same joke repeated ad nauseum.
My experience has been different. I feel like I see the same, “Linux is better.” Shit all the time. All the memes are also, “Windows user realizing this. Linux user not caring.”
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When they’re right, they’re right
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Yeah, but that doesn’t happen often.
Especially when they base their Windows knowledge on only their own preferences, that are usually out-dated or at least poorly researched.
People liking Linux is ruining your enjoyment of a FOSS platform? Tell me you appreciate the irony.
You seem seriously triggered about something you’ve been reading in other threads and need to vent, so go off, let’s here it.
Just because you enjoy one instance of FOSS doesn’t mean you have to start a bloodpact with all of them.
All the empty communities without any motivation from the creating user to actually be involved in their own community. I honestly think they should be deleted if they’re not active. Inb4 “be the change/create your own”. No, I don’t want to run a community so I don’t create a community. Neither should you. Nobody benefits from all these empty reservations of space. It might actually hinder the people who have a need for a community. It’s like showing up at an empty store. “Oh I guess I’ll go somewhere else for this then”
I’m annoyed by all those Facebook-type boomer comics you see on basically all meme subs. Reddit culture managed to get rid of them, but for some reason people here seem to love them
Chill the fuck out with the linux supremacy. I hate windows too but linux is not as friendly and efficient as you think.
Do you have a moment to talk about our God and saviour, Gentoo Linux? /S
Would you like a Linux Mint?
I’m a socialist but the level of communism here gives me a headache. Wish I could block the whole hexbear instance
Some apps for Lemmy support blocking whole instances. Both Connect and Sync does.
Blocking hexbear has made my Lemmy experience much more pleasant
Start up your own private instance and defederate hexbear.
I would if I could but unfortunately I’m way too lazy for that
Lol not sure why you’re downvoted, it’s a legit concern. Running a lemmy instance is a lot more work than “just set it up once”
It’s really not. Run it in Docker on your home PC. You don’t need to moderate any users because you don’t need to have any users on your instance. It quite literally is “just set it up once,” defederate instances you don’t like, and occasionally upgrade the software like you do any other app.
That being said, a few Lemmy apps now support blocking entire instances, so that IS more simple than it was even a few weeks ago.
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The amount of people that like to shit on the U.S. constantly… Like damn I get it, we definitely have problems, but people here would have you think it’s like the wild wild west over here… I promise I’m not fearing for my life every time I go out.
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The extreme left views (I’m liberal myself but some of the things people say here really have me scratching my head sometimes)
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The amount of Windows bad, Linux good posts.
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The amount of people that immediately shit on Apple because of privacy, but use an Android device that accesses the Google Play store (yes I know you can install custom privacy roms, but let’s be real, how many casual users are doing this?)
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People always asking if something is FOSS…
These are just a few off the top of my head.
raises hand slowly
my pixel 7 pro uses grapheneOS. been using it for ~2 years now. loving it a lot.
(broken link BTW) damn, really? feels like 2 years for me lol.
guess I’ve just got a shitty memory then xD
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Linux supremacist and the wannabe commies are pretty annoying.
Other quality of life features would be nice. Like searching for a specific post
People not marking nsfw content nsfw… Front page is a minefield whilst in public transport
That’s the beauty of the federation. It’s not like a subreddit got nuked and is no longer available. I have this account on .world, if I want to see some titties I just move to another node in the wide world of instances. Like various neurons getting cut off from some synapses but still available by other paths.
When I first joined Lemmy I was happy with how few anime subs I had to filter compared to reddit…but it seems like the horny weebs are starting to make the switch. I hate that genre (style?) where they draw everyone looking like children. Gross
[Edit] love to get downvoted for saying that hentai with children is disgusting
