I’ve been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?
If a communist isn’t hated by the capitalist establishment, he isn’t a real communist. (I do not imply that being hated by the establishment alone qualifies you to be a communist)
And the remainder of lemmy is the capitalist establishment?
I own two shoe factories and a cotton farm, you?
Nah, you’re wannabes who will never hold enough capital to count, which is why we slag you when you dig in your heels in the first place. There’s nothing more simultaneously sad or funny than ‘temporarily embarrassed’ capitalists with no capital; especially when you haven’t even bothered scrubbing the Oxford polish off your lips before fixing them to talk to us. You are footsoldiers of chauvinist racism, colonial genocide, and climate apocalypse, and you will be the death of all of us.
With all that in mind, what makes you think you or yours are owed any respectful dialogue?
- Full of insults and yet- asks others how they think they’re owned respectful dialogue.
THIS Is the perfect example of the children in Lemmygrad and Hexbear.
They’re both good instances. People have been heavily propagandized to hate communists. You could make the kindest most welcoming space on the internet and if you put the label “communist” on it, it will be hated.
A lot of it is McCarthyism, though i’ve personally had my problems with hexbear and you should probably stay away from them.
With how much anticommunism goes down in the federation I sometimes wish the developers would hide some code that would kick people who do this off the entire federation. Don’t use a fucking communist platform to get away from the failing capitalist one and then spend all your time being McCarthy’s left nutsack. I know that’s never going to happen because that goes against the developer’s values, but god damn would it be justified as fuck if it happened, and it would stop like 99.9999% of the toxicity and CSAM that gets posted here.
Who said this is a communist platform?
It was literally created to be reddit without the capitalism. You didn’t think what the implications of that meant?
It’s a federated platform… it can be whatever the instance hosts want it to be.
Yeah but the anti-corporation and anti-capitalism aspect plays deeply into federated free libre open source platforms and software. The culture of FOSS is inherently communist. You think corporate bros love freedom, privacy, piracy, all that shit?
I don’t think the average person cares about the FOSS principles that the instance software was built upon, they probably care that it just works and receives updates. People will come for the content.
True, buuuuuut the FOSS community is a bit militant with being anti-corpo and anti-capitalist. Even if it is not a direct concern for people who give 0 fucks about FOSS tribalism, the culture’s benefits directly impact them in a good way. Besides, capitalism is not something many people like lmao. Most capitalism lovers either are big business leeches, or kids belonging to those families or are Instagram dronies.
Who said this is a liberal platform? USA/NATO loving liberals can have Reddit.
Who said this is a liberal platform?
Nobody. You’re the only person trying to define what platform you believe lemmy to be.
You asserted this is not a communist or any -ist platform. You got no answer to my rebuttal, and pretend to cry? Fuck outta here with that shit.
Liberal westerners and crybullying, name a more iconic duo that isn’t crackers and misquoting failed philosophies of non-violence
Anglo nationalists and fascism (like real fascism)
Sorry had to beat ya
Lemmygrad isn’t “hated” by most of the wider lemmyverse. There’s just a loud and obnoxious minority of people that will rail and rant about lemmygrad. They loudly rant about lemmygrad because they aren’t used to seeing their worldview get challenged and by its very nature as a radical leftist community, lemmygrad is a challenge to the typical background liberal perspective.
It’s no surprise we all end up seeing a lot of threads about “those mean tankies at lemmygrad” (and hexbear too) made by people who can’t take their worldview getting questioned, or even shown to be flawed, or just not standing up to their own scrutiny, and who get mad when that happens. There are also of course people with ideological reasons to demonize leftwing politics and will spread shit for that reason alone. But overall, I don’t think most people care enough except to think “oh yeah that’s that instance with those radical lefties, they’re weird but they do make some great memes sometimes.”
There are people who called the main lemmy.ml instance a community of tankies, so I’d take a lot of these claims with a grain of salt.
Hahahahahaha
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There’s a difference between challenging other people’s opinions and calling them fascists or Nazis just because they’re not at the extreme left.
Even worse, in this very thread I’ve been called a fascist for the sole reason that my instance is sh.itjust.works, one of the bigger instances and one where your political opinion isn’t a criteria to subscribe (especially not when I subscribed, they didn’t even ask for an email!)
You must’ve done something to court those allegations. What’d you say? What’d you do? Who’d you align with geopolitically? I bet we’ll find an answer in at least one of those three.
Yeah, I only joined shitjust works because that’s where the cdda Lemmy is and that’s the first thing I used it for, didn’t even know people think it’s a political instance. Though I guess with the hexbears and lemmygrads everything’s political somehow. That’s why I generally avoid dealing with them anyway.
everything’s political somehow.
If somehow, everything isn’t political for you; that’s your sign that you might just be a settler. Just the act of going outside in a hwhite neighborhood is a political action for me with how many cop-caller Beckies I live around. Wish I had your sweet-assed life.
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It’s funny how fascists always leave out the part that actually gets them called a fascist, isn’t it?
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I’m pretty left/lean socialist. The tankies that annoy me from those instances are pro authoritarian communists who say shit like “Stalin did nothing wrong” with no irony whatsoever. It’s not really about bickering over ideological purity past a certain point, some of that shit makes a good case for the horseshoe theory
“I’m as left as they come but I’m still going to throat the entire State Department patent leather shoe talm bout ‘authoritarians’ like that’s anything more than another white-folk-slur for brown leaders who deny them” you are a fucking joke
What’s a leftist stance you take?
Just take a look at this question, all of the answers are from lemmygrad and hexbear users. You are not going to get a good answer from them because they’re the people you’re asking the question about.
They are not hated they’re just annoying, no one really cares about their opinions the problem is is that they try and push their opinions on everybody else.
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Said the lemmygrad user without a shred of irony.
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Yeah, they have a very alternative interpretation of geopolitics and they’re loud about it. If there was a flat earth instance with users that spammed every physics thread there would be some grumbling just the same.
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Cool story. You’re right, it’s not an exact science, so why are you so sure about your perspective on it either? I think the answer is “identity”.
As for my reading list, I’ve probably gotten further into Das Capital than you have, and it belongs on the side of electrification that it was written on.
I’ve probably gotten further into Das Capital than you have
Apparently not far enough to be able to spell the German title correctly.
Oh yeah, K. It has been a few years.
I swear, I did read a good chunk of the thing. Maybe a third or so. And yes, it did make my eyes bleed.
Capital is a thesis on economy, why would it help you on politics?
Surely you’d know what it’s about if you’ve read it.
Yeah, I do. Usually when an “anti-imperialist” tells you to read more, that’s what they mean. What are you thinking of, then, Settlers?
Actually, do read Settlers, it’ll help you unfuck your colonizer mentality
and it belongs on the side of electrification that it was written on.
Colonizer take. Your username checks out.
Love you too.
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Hexbear also weaponizes accusations of transphobia the same way Israel weaponizes accusations of anti-semitism.
Now Hexbear hasn’t done any genocide yet, but it does loove to talk about executing people, many and frequently.
The hexbear and lemmygrad users/posts I run across in All mostly remind me of those street corner preachers. I don’t care one way or another about their ideologies but it’s tiring that they always feel the need to shout it in your face.
I don’t hate them but find them to be obnoxious and mostly cult-like.
mostly cult-like.
Very much like a cult actually. Often times the opinions they are espousing don’t actually make much sense even within their own ideology, mostly because their kids and they don’t actually understand what they’re talking about.
It’s not communist ideology to claim that Tinnamon Square didn’t happen, it’s just China’s propaganda. It’s not the same thing.
Equally criticizing China is not the same as criticizing communism as a concept. It’s perfectly acceptable to think that communism is good but what China did is bad, but these idiots won’t allow you to say that. If they actually understood what they were talking about they’d realized that, but they don’t because as you say they’re in a cult.
Well, when I see a .ml user from here on out I’m not sure I’ll be able to give them the same sort of leeway.
I had one of their users confirm they were racist. Then I saw that only the parts where our conversation was removed by mods, and not shit canning the user.
You want people to like you, don’t lie down with racists.
I concur about .ml. It’s been eye opening being on the receiving end of a homophobic rant by a moderator of their world news community implying I’m not queer enough. It wouldn’t surprise me that they’re racist, too. Bigots tend to subscribe to more than one strain of bigotry.
I know it shouldn’t matter what people like that think, but I’d be lying if I said I’m not disappointed and dismayed. I’ve survived so many things and had a long hard road to self-acceptance. It’s disgusting to be invalidated by someone who likely has more than I’ve ever had.
I used to be confused when right wing nutjobs would say that the left is Racist, or Homophobic, or bigoted in general, it would make me confused as that wasn’t my experience and it’s not baked into left wing ideology. Hell, I didn’t really see it on reddit when I was there (the hate was from right wingers or gatekeepers).
Then I came here. Nice place in general. Waaaay better users than reddit as a whole. But now I know where the RWNJs got the idea.
Ain’t that the truth! I will say during my tenure on reddit, I heard of CTH and thought to myself, “I ultimately support a similar vision for our future, how bad can it be?” I was shocked to find one of the most exclusionary, bigoted dens of filth I’d seen outside of places like r/T_D
Ableist and bigoted language abounded, it was impossible to engage because they’d immediately bristle when anyone they perceived as beneath them wandered in.
I see a lot of the same things here. It’s really disappointing to us leftists who actually want to effect change. No one will listen to people like that. Hopefully they’re just kids who grow out of … whatever this is.
Middle class white gay men could use their privilege to help out the rest of the lgbtq community instead of being right wingers, but then that would require examining their privileges, and we can’t have that.
So pointing out those privileges and how different rights affect different subsections of the community differently because of those privileges is homophobic./s
Fuck off.
This is exactly why the only gays I have the time and energy for have to have some melanin in them. Black, Latino, indigenous, it don’t matter to me from there but you can’t be a hwhite gay and expect to just chill with me anymore; not without HARDCORE vetting. I’m talking “six months to two years worth of figuring out if you’re some kind of narc, some kind of #alllivesmatter queer(they exist), or some other kind of malevolent settler-queer” hardcore vetting.
I don’t spend an IOTA of my energy on these three-no’s-on-they-grindr-profile-assed settlers anymore; not with all the crybullying about “reverse racism” and all these other fuckboy games they’d rather play than actually do any kind of meaningful work on themselves or the way they navigate the world.
Required reading: x
As several scholars have noted, contemporary gay life is marked by high levels of racism directed towards gay men of color by gay white men, with much of the racism manifesting itself as negative sexual attitudes towards, and sexual exclusion or fetishization of, non-white men (Armstrong 2002; Bérubé 2001; Epstein 1996; McBride 2005; Tenunis, 2007). After examining online personal ads and interviewing gay men, Robinson (2015) found that gay white men often exclude gay men of color as potential sexual partners while denying that their racial preferences are racist in nature.
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Despite gay white men’s insistence that sexual exclusion was not racism but rather personal preference, and that these personal preferences have nothing to do with racism, Collander and his colleagues (2015) found that attitudes toward sexual exclusion were related to almost every identified factor associated with racist attitudes in general.
I’m white and Asian but look fairly white and you wouldn’t believe(well, you probably would) the fucking shit I hear from white lesbians and trans people too. They’re much better than gay men overall but holyyy shit.
Far-left echo chamber that from my experience really hates Jews.
Hating the settler colonial, apartheid State of Israel, which has been ethnically cleansing for three generations and is committing genocide as we speak, is not antisemitism.
Not just Jews. They also hate any LGBT+ people they deem not queer or marginalized enough.
I thought hating the Jews was job of anti-Semites and rightwingers like you? Because last I checked, Zionist Israel is not the “promised Jewish land” in any shape or form, and is not representative of all Jews.
Haven’t seen any lemmygrad users in a while, but honestly the vitriol towards Hexbear is overblown. They’re fine. Bit trolly, and they shitpost a lot, but it’s kinda fun.
You are lucky you said “its kinda fun” because I was this 👌 close to trolling you with shit posts.
I’m the only person I’ve ever seen on Lemmy running an instance from a nominally communist country (maybe there are others?). You can come hang out with me I guess. I’m not qualified to be a proper communist though – I’ve read very little of the literature, and leave politics to the Party. Which I am not even actually a member of. I’m basically Boxer from Animal farm, but ended up happily married and with a decent standard of living instead of shipped off to the glue factory.
I’m am a mercenary science hermit though, so my instance is very quiet! There are three people on my instance, two are me and the other is a bot I wrote doing I-Ching divinations using physics.
The more I see you talk the more based you sound
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I am perhaps strange, it’s true.
It’s my habit to sometimes build wildly improbable things, just to push myself and see if I can do it – the world is filled with too many boring and lifeless inventions. Often clients want me to build very boring things – e.g. they must stoop, who gather gold. So I dedicate some time to building absurd things too, in which I hope strangers find entertainment.
I am interested in the physics divination bot. How’s it work?
There’s a detailed description on my home instance, along with other stuff.
The short version is it uses a pair of BJT transistors to produce and amplify diode breakdown noise. That’s amplified to TTL levels by some hex inverters. Then an 8-bit microcontroller passes it through a Von Neumann whitewashing algorithm (clock-cycle balanced in assembly language) to produce unbiased bits, which it accumulates into bytes. It’s not a ‘safe’ way to use transistors and they will fail one day, but it will be fine for quite some time still.
Then an ESP32 samples the bytes from the 8-bit MCU. It connects to Wi-Fi and pushes it to the cloud over MQTT. A server listens for the random bytes, and uses them with the traditional I-Ching algorithm (yarrow-stick probabilities). Coding the yarrow-stick probabilities into an algorithm was a pain compared to the newer method that uses coin tosses :D
Also I had to convert the I-Ching to JSON, so I could programmatically pull the correct divination from it. The whole thing is gloriously absurd.
I have build a few particle detectors so I can use quantum-tunneling to produce the entropy instead (so an upgrade from a hardware RNG to a quantum RNG), but the radiation sources I have access to are a bit too weak to generate sufficient entropy.
I can’t imagine any of this has any practical application, unless you happen to be a time traveler. In that case have work to do, meet me last week and we’ll talk about it :P
Oh incidentally if the bot is down, let me know and I’ll gently beat it into submission so it works again.
Impressive, but not cost-effective. I would just
fetch("random.org") XOR Math.random().I have to do cost-effective all week. Weekends, I get to do “ridiculous” :)
Understandable.
BTW, I’m a bit surprise when I find out you were actually a foreigner migrated to Vietnam, which is a developing country. I was always under the impression that talents usually rather migrate to a more developed economy, not only for higher life quality, but also more advanced technologies. What made you decide to open a tech company in Vietnam instead of anywhere else?
Growth potential. Relatively clear laws on immigration and foreign business. The language doesn’t leave me functionally illiterate (it uses Latin-ish characters). The lack of other immigrants, and general brain drain to Western economies gave me a competitive advantage. Maybe a standard rule of business is “don’t do what everyone else is doing”.
It was clear a lot of growth was about to happen, and anyone who could reach out and grab a bit of it would do well. Also: why sell tech where tech is common and everyone has it already?
Of course that was good on paper, but the first three years were a disaster. Tried working for a foreign company as an employee, got cheated badly, lost most of my assets, didn’t know what to do. The five year plan just came out about then, figured I’d RTFM. It encouraged me to start a tech company, and I am good at tech, so I put every dime in.
Next three years were a disaster too, lost everything. I got wiser though, and things improved after that. The rest is just reliably grinding out work for clients.
I find the quality of life here quite good overall. I used to cough blood in winter. None of that nonsense anymore! Health care is OK. Food and weather are nice, and my neighbors are decent. It’s very safe, by far the safest place I’ve ever lived. Interactions with government have been efficient and cordial. Air pollution and traffic are becoming a bit of a problem, but can’t have everything I guess.
Tools from China and reasonably priced local factories mean I have more access to advanced technology than I had in the West. By a lot! I can now access the means of production, and it’s pretty amazing!
Tried working for a foreign company as an employee, got cheated badly, lost most of my assets, didn’t know what to do.
Did they only pay you in “equity” instead of wages?
Also, how was your interaction with the government? Did you have to “lubricate” with your money to make things go faster?
ITT: offended lennygrad and hexbear users giving good examples to answer the OP
Nobody asked about your credentials, liberal.
there are no good Marxist instances
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Sounds like something a dronie collaborator would say
Karl Marx had some great ideas. It’s too bad everyone who identifies as a Marxist has such a twisted worldview.
Please don’t speak of Marxism without understanding it
I pretty much enjoy most of what I see from hexbear, but I have blocked a bunch of stuff from lemmygrad.
I get blocking hexbear, I get blocking grad and hexbear, but blocking grad but not hexbear? Why?
It’s been awhile since I did the blocking. I just remember being annoyed.
Liberals hate communists more than they hate fascists
Sorry for my ignorance, but I think liberal means something else in my part of the world. Can you please tell me what’s your definition?
Edit: As I thought - you guys mean Neoliberalism. Even in the links below it’s mentioned that there was a split in terms. Language matters! Liberalism - a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights and civil liberties (the opposite in the political spectrum from authoritarianism).
they’re not using liberal in the american sense of liberal meaning gay blue haired woman with pronouns and vegan lattes that conservatives get mad at (in general theres a lot of queer vegan women with pronouns and colourful hair on hexbear); they’re defining liberal in the marxist sense in that its people who support capitalism but arent currently fascists, so this includes conservatives, neoliberals, social democrats, and all sorts in it. Their comment seems to be applying more specifically to the ideologically committed liberals as opposed to mostly apolitical people who just say, “oh yeah i guess i;ll vote democrat this time” once every 4 years and have that be the extent of their politcal consciousness
Some more resources:
On Liberalism
- Why do communists dislike liberals?, 2
- What about free speech?
- Why do leftists think that FDR co-opted the left to “save” capitalism?
- What’s wrong with democrats ( insert moderate party here ) ?
- Why not vote for the lesser of two evils (Lesser-evilism)?
- Can’t we change the democrats from within?
- What about “moderates” like Jimmy Carter? Can’t we push them to change?
- Can’t we use voting to solve our problem? Is violence really necessary? What about Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi? audiobook
- Malcolm X on liberals.
It’s nonsense statements like this that should provide the answer to OP’s question. When push came to shove in WW2, liberalism in the US, UK, and elsewhere sided with communism against fascism.
Did they now?
Liberals don’t even really hate fascists, they just pretend to condemn them to keep up international appearances; as the past year’s slippage, then shameless tearing-off of the mask has shown us. No one should be surprised by this, either-- the American way has always been clad in a pointy white robe, clutching a rifle in white-knuckled hands; if you peel back all the mythologizing.
Its a country founded on genocide that deported as many communists as they could in the 50s then killed and arrested the rest that remained.
Lets not forget the active genocides they carried out in vietnam or the middle east either, or the concentration camp they have open on cuba.
Is that Cuban concentration camp still being used? Where is your proof?
Since 2002, the base has included the detainment camp for individuals deemed of risk to United States national security. In 2009, the U.S. President, Barack Obama, gave orders for the detention camp to close by January 22, 2010. As of 2021, it remains open due to a congressional refusal of funds for its closure.
Indeed, liberalism is just a precursor of fascism https://orgrad.wordpress.com/articles/liberalism-the-two-faced-tyranny-of-wealth/
Im not in alot of communities but I’ve never seen the heavy handed claims everyone makes about seemingly any lemmy user to the left of Biden. I’ve seen occasional snark, but nothing out of line for standard internet snark/trolling that those same people never mind when the right does it. 🤷
