What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?

It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.

Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.

Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?

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    Let’s look at this from another perspective.

    Russia has completely failed it’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and is bogged down in a war of attrition with a nation that is not in NATO.

    NATO countries are supplying a trickle of arms to Ukraine, but without a single NATO boot on the ground, without a single aircraft carrier, Russia has been stopped in its tracks and has failed to complete the majority of it’s military objectives, having even lost actual Russian territory to Ukrainian counter offensives.

    Clearly Russia would not stand a chance if NATO decided to invade them.

    So that begs the question, if you believe NATO wants to invade Russia, and it’s clear Russia couldn’t stop them, why haven’t they?

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      Right away going to note that you are yet to explain what Russia should have done about NATO’s aggression.

      Russia has completely failed it’s “special military operation” in Ukraine

      Not sure how this would be relevant even if it wasn’t fiction.

      NATO countries are supplying a trickle of arms to Ukraine, but without a single NATO boot on the ground

      Again, you should stop making claims without bothering to double-check them. You are woefully underequipped to make assumptions here.
      Non-Ukrainian NATO troops have been involved, both in the form of mercenaries and de jure NATO military personnel, with some of the weapons that Ukraine has been using requiring the participation of NATO troops.

      Russia has been stopped in its tracks

      Not sure why you think that this is in any way relevant, but Russia has literally been winning more and more ground, with a very recent takeover of estimated more than 100 km^2 within 24 hours.

      having even lost actual Russian territory to Ukrainian counter offensives

      Your sources are outdated. Kursk has been liberated.
      Either way, this shows that Russia’s concerns about NATO are not unfounded, so you are now just contradicting your earlier implied claims that Russia should have just ignored NATO’s activities.

      Clearly Russia would not stand a chance if NATO decided to invade them

      This is basically an original German nazi talking point about Slavs being subhuman and standing no chance against Germany for some reason.

      Either way, you are now claiming that Russia is right to be concerned about NATO’s aggression, and that every polity that tries to join NATO should be fought against like the enemies of humanity that they are.

      So that begs the question, if you believe NATO wants to invade Russia, and it’s clear Russia couldn’t stop them, why haven’t they?

      Again, you are quite literally working off of wrong assumptions that nobody who has been following the conflict holds.

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      Russia has completely failed it’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and is bogged down in a war of attrition with a nation that is not in NATO.

      Yes, Russia’s gamble to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table using a minimal amount of troops and minimal force failed, because the US & UK blocked it. So now it’s a slow, grinding war of attrition.

      Russia has been stopped in its tracks and has failed to complete the majority of it’s military objectives

      All signs point to Russia winning this war, yet somehow you’re framing it as them losing 🤷 Do you know what their objectives are?

      Clearly Russia would not stand a chance if NATO decided to invade them.

      No one in history has succeeded in taking Russia with an invasion force, not even before Russia had nuclear weapons, and now it has more of them than anyone else. Not Napoleon, not Hitler. It’s two-thirds larger than the next-largest country.

      The NATO countries have de-industrialized themselves. They’re in no condition to invade Iran right now, never mind Russia. They don’t even have the industrial capacity to properly arm Ukraine. Russia meanwhile hasn’t de-industrialized nearly as much and isn’t running out of materiel.

      if you believe NATO wants to invade Russia

      I believe nothing of the sort. What the US wants is for Russia to be regime changed, Balkanized, and re-neocolonized. And they want it without needing to put any of their own boots on the ground. Ukraine is a pawn on the US’s “grand chessboard.” The US wanted this proxy war. Previously.