I’m having a hard time looking this up through search engines. No shade at all, but I haven’t seen anyone get someone in Palestine to do some traceroutes and understand how genocide data is being routed.
Does anyone know?
I’m trying so hard to claw at the smallest thing I can do to help, is there a person in a network box I can send a bottle wine to so the packets keep flowing?
They are on Israeli SIM networks but special Palestinian SIM cards. Israel runs on technological spying. If Israel pulls the plug on the internet then they black out their own data scraping as well.
If you want to donate, donate to content creators or journalists raising awareness for Palestine. Donating to those within Gaza just for money does little to help them.
Or donate to the dev of the “No Thanks” app for Israeli boycotts.
I don’t know if you’re paying attention to the HOPE hacker con but there’s some sharp audience questions. Today, there was a talk about hacking from the defender perspective talking about Ukraine, and an audience member asked why the speaker was on her way to Tel Aviv to a conference
I haven’t heard about that. Are there any articles or videos about it?
They stream the talks live on youtube, search hope_16 I think. It was a talk about privacy and surveillance, … an audience member called her out and she never replied
basically like, what are you doing scheduling a talk in te aviv amongst war criminals? the person that asked the question was very polite too, I owe him a beer
i use the no thanks app heavily; what do they have to do with palestinian access?
They destroy the Israeli economy. What Palestinians need is not PayPal money but international pressure on Israel from all sides.
“Palestine” encompasses some politically different territories.
Gaza: they access internet mostly via donated esims these days due to the blockade. A lot of them may be using Israeli telecom companies and towers (I bought an Israeli esim for a friend of mine in Gaza a while ago), but as far as I can tell there are other internet providers in the SWANA region whose esims also cover Gaza.
West Bank: afaik have different internet to Israel though I imagine there may be a mix between using Israeli internet providers and West Bank specific providers.
East Jerusalem: I imagine same internet situation as the West Bank, maybe leaning more towards Israeli internet providers?
Historic Palestine/'48 Palestine that’s now “Israel”: will be using Israeli internet. Remember that this is still Palestine, and there are still Palestinians living here, though very few. But they do exist; one of my Palestinian friends is a '48 Palestinian. She has an “Israeli” ID; her phone number is “Israeli”; etc.
If your goal is to help people experiencing genocide to stay connected, I recommend you donate esims. There are a lot of esim donation initiatives out there. Here’s one for instance: https://chuffed.org/project/crips-for-esims-for-gaza
It’s particularly crucial in the face of Israel’s campaign against journalists, that the people of Gaza are able to broadcast what is happening.
Anas al-Sharif
chuffed is the place. I’ve given what I can. My senators are both war criminals under the genocide convention
Ok good point, I was thinking Gaza and Anas al-Sharif. So, all wireless mostly through Israeli ISPs? wild
Gaza has been under siege since 2007 so Israel controls their internet. Hence why they are reliant upon esims, as Israel has cut off Gaza’s internet since 2023.
I hope you’re not taking this the wrong way, I’m trying to convince my boomer dad. Honesly, I think we should miliarily intervene
I’m trying so hard to claw at the smallest thing I can do to help
There’s the mutual_aid community from Hexbear if you’re interested in helping via donations, take a look at their latest Palestine donation megathread:
https://lemmy.ml/post/31793466
I take it that you want to do more than just donations though, right? (in that case I’d love to know too)
Are you calling me out? I’m trying to understand things in terms I understand
No not at all, I merely suggested one idea on how to help, no sarcasm or irony attached
understood in the spirit it was meant. Like, Hasan had a guy online at the same time, I’m so curious how the remaining infrastructure works
I’m literally not trying to pick a fight with anyone lol, I was just watching HOPE talks and thinking infrastructure.
Like fuck me, I don’t know how to help stop a genocide
Man I’ve just been watching the HOPE conference videos and one attendee called out a speaker for delivering a talk about hacking against an opponent in the context of Ukraine, but she declined to answer why she’s speaking at a conference in Tel Aviv
Link to the live stream if you can. I tried searching hope_16 and there are a bunch of them. Don’t want to go through them all.
Back when I was in the Westbank in 2019 they had a separate mobile network than the Israelis. As a Palestinian you could not get a Israeli phone number.
any idea where it came from? do they mostly have Lebanon wireless? or Egypt?
No it was an official Palestinian carrier as far as I remember.
I mean, they’ve bombed enough that the water table is toxic, Is there still an ISP?
Wikipedia only had a link to a very old article: https://web.archive.org/web/20120509065406/http://mnodirectory.com/ame/Palestine.htm
Great question, very interested to hear the answer if anyone knows. Please mention me, future posters!
I expect the answer to be very different for Gaza and for the west bank.
My best guesses (NOT BASED ON KNOWLEDGE, JUST SPECULATION):
West Bank perhaps can connect to Israeli telecom service providers. I’m guessing that’s what Israeli settlements in the west bank do, so no reason why Palestinian cities wouldn’t do that too.
As for Gaza, again their only telecommunications have to be through Israel. It appears that Israel can literally just stop the internet service (and electricity and water for that matter), and Gaza would be in the dark. The fact that Israel isn’t doing this is a bit of an enigma to me - not because I think they should (I don’t), but because it’s very obvious the the Israeli government thinks it should. Some ministers have literally said as much.
I keep thinking it’s all through Israel, but why not while you kill everyone just shut it off? I want to see traceroutes!!
EDIT: I’m asking about Gaza
RIPE Atlas is what you are looking for. Not sure about probes in Palestine.
good start, thanks!
I’m not asking for what’s alocated so much as how it works and how it routes
https://ipinfo.io/AS12975#block-summary
might be useful
Short answer is anyway that they can. Israel is trying to cut the communication to hide their crimes and basically every thinking human is doing anything and everything that they can to help people in danger.
Anyone who isn’t will inevitably have to live in a world where the people they could have helped are not around to help them when they need help.
I hear you. Did I mention I was watching the HOPE conference live feed, and the lady that did a talk about digital privacy in context of Ukraine got asked by (a hero) the crowd about how she’s scheduled to talk in Tel Aviv next week
