I keep hearing the term in political discourse, and rather than googling it, I’m asking the people who know better than Google.

  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
    61·
    14 hours ago

    If you read the actual post itself, on Hexbear, it is phrased in a manner that acknowledges what we all know: if leftists see right-wing nonsense, they will try to debunk it, and that it asks users to please not do so with PPB or whatnot but by being professional and bringing sources. There are no coordinated brigades.

    I’m not hypocritical either, it’s absolutely correct that Lemmy.world banned Hexbear because it’s a group of vocal leftists and that’s unacceptable to the right-wing admins. I don’t care about free-speech absolutism, what I care about is what stances are allowed and what aren’t. Liberalism should not be protected, leftist views should be. Or do you think racist speech should be protected? Nonsense, I’m sure we both can agree on that, the difference is that I think leftist views are correct and morally just, while right-wing views are not.

    • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
      15·
      13 hours ago

      “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”

      “I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”

      I mean, it’s obvious why you’re lying. I just didn’t expect you to lean right into the whole “there is no war in Ba Sing Se” vibe.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        5·
        13 hours ago

        For the first, it’s saying exactly what I said, that it’s encouraging users that do choose to engage to do so with professionalism.

        For the latter, it isn’t a statement of intent, but a description of what is actually going on, a struggle between liberalism and leftism. There are prominent brigaders and drama farmers on .world, sh.itjust.works, piefed.world, etc that engage in ideological propagandizing against leftists, just like there are leftists that do so against right-wingers. This isn’t a command to Hexbear users to go out and disseminate spooky scary leftist ideology, but a description of what already exists.

        So no, I’m not lying, you’re either unintentionally misreading the post and my comments, or are deliberately smearing me.

        • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
          14·
          13 hours ago

          For the first, it’s saying exactly what I said, that it’s encouraging users that do choose to engage to do so with professionalism.

          Propaganda wars and professionalism are not mutually exclusive. Nice try.

          For the latter, it isn’t a statement of intent, but a description of what is actually going on, a struggle between liberalism and leftism. There are prominent brigaders and drama farmers on .world, sh.itjust.works, piefed.world, etc that engage in ideological propagandizing against leftists, just like there are leftists that do so against right-wingers. This isn’t a command to Hexbear users to go out and disseminate spooky scary leftist ideology, but a description of what already exists.

          You don’t get dizzy from so much spinning?

          I mean, by that logic, Lemmy World admins never specifically stated that they were defederating because of people holding viewpoints they don’t like. You want to have it both ways so bad it’s disgusting.

          Maybe these tactics actually work in Communist spaces? That would explain a lot…

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            51·
            13 hours ago

            The Lemmy.world admins manufactured the idea of Hexbear users intentionally brigading lemmy.world threads before they even federated, choosing to pre-emptively defederate, and directly cited ideological differences as the reason. Lemmy.world does not care about “idelogical warfare” itself as bad, as there are constant drama farms and prominent users and comms on Lemmy.world that directly state their intent is to push anti-communist views, yet these users are protected, made moderators, etc. Logically, therefore, it’s the views that matter, not the idea of “protecting against brigading.”

            If the Lemmy.world admins were honest, they would just outright state that they don’t like communism. Hexbear is honest, and directly states they ban right-wingers. Lemmy.world tries to have their cake and eat it too.

            • null@piefed.nullspace.lolEnglish
              14·
              13 hours ago

              The Lemmy.world admins manufactured the idea of Hexbear users intentionally brigading lemmy.world threads before they even federated, choosing to pre-emptively defederate, and directly cited ideological differences as the reason.

              Quote it. Your evidence so far is “they’re lying”.

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                51·
                13 hours ago

                In addition to the reasoning I’ve already given, their intentional bolding of comments like these:

                “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”

                This was a statement on the stances of Hexbear, not a call to action. The Lemmy.world admins highlighted it to show why ideologically this was unacceptable to them, plain and simple.