You don’t even realize you are further proving my point and you’re coming across as even more fake.

I started respectfully, just as at first, you appeared to be “just another leftist with some different opinion”. If you knew how to read, you’d have noticed that my change in tone came in the “edit” of my reply.

In reality, you’re just another liberal apologists that is fine with genocide… And I am absolutely NOT going to be respectful to Zionists once your true colors are evident.

Your “point” was moot to begin with because you’re not leftist. But you are a fake ally, ready to backstab minorities and allow genocides to happen

on the Left we

Where on “the Left”?

no one wants to be a white cis male contradicting the feelings, emotions or arguments of a POC or LGBTQ+ person

Maybe liberals don’t. And I wouldn’t consider them to be on the left.

Why would you want to police emotions or feelings of others?

Arguments on the other hand should be based on logic. And as long as you’re respectful, one can disagree.

Your attempt at making all these different scenarios look the same, makes me question your position and honesty in this conversation

The Right doesn’t really have this problem as the Far right opinions are generally understood to be reprehensible to most people

This is just purely false and inaccurate. There are plenty of people who agree with far right talking points

Edit: why was I not surprised to see that you are one of those “leftist” (read liberal) who is fine with the Palestinian genocide as long as it’s your team that carries out the genocide?

THAT is why we have to be careful. Precisely because of fake allies like you, who say they are on your side while condoning a genocide behind your back.

But sure, talk again of “virtuosity tests” and the “Left”…

We were all saying to vote for the least worst option, nobody was denying the DNC was doing shit all about the situation and making it a bit worse

A BIT worse!?

They literally enabled it, gave the funding, the weapons, the military support and everything else to literally make it possible.

If you’re not going to be serious, I’m not even going to engage

Notice how you’re not even arguing against my points?

Aren’t you being sensitive? (Lol I’m being an asshole on purpose here)

But why don’t you actually engage instead of name-calling? I’m legitimately trying to debate you.

Why would a minority that is going to get targeted by the trump administration go against their self interests in your mind, if not to stand for something? (Namely a genocide enabled by the democrats)

You think that’s “attacking” people?

Yes

Man you are a ultra sensitive bunch aren’t you?

And now you’re doing it again. And you don’t even realize it. You think name-calling is not insulting?

It doesn’t surprise me you got rightfully banned.

For a mere 30 days by the way. Doesn’t seem that authoritarian to me, but y’all keep being incorrect so…

You think pointing out actions have consequences is “attacking” people?

No, I think writing

Do I think the shoulder blame for Trump’s victory? Fuck yes.

Is attacking. And the reason would be very easy to find too IF you had bothered to listen to the voices and criticism of Arab people. They have been complaining about it for over a year while people like you told them to shut the fuck up and vote for the administration that literally killed their family members over in Gaza.

I’m sure THEY are the ones who aren’t aware of what’s going to happen to them (/s)

Cripes, how do you deal with the real world then?

Very well. In the real world I call out the same BS as I do here.

Do you go around in the real world blaming minorities as well?

Whatever, I think at this point given the members who have been commenting, yeah pretty much I agree I got a well deserved ban

Finally something positive then, my friend. Seems to me like it helped you to see a different POV… Not so bad in my opinion

So you attacked the people that didn’t wanted to vote for the party that was funding and arming the Israeli government while they carried out a genocide and you think that was unfair?

LMAO

Absolutely well deserved ban

Edit: hilarious how more often than not, the people complaining about being banned from over .ml completely deserved the ban

Um, no? Stop centering your political compass around a new center, where to you current leftists look rightwing according to it

Your reply shows to me that you are unfamiliar with socialism/communism and don’t entirely know what you’re referring to.

I’m not pushing anything towards the left, the left has always been to the…well, left.

The only thing that has swifted is the fact that a lot more people now are unfamiliar with what constitute as “left” and their perception of what is “extreme left” has changed because of their unfamiliarity with it. And because of right wing propaganda scare tactics like “everything I don’t like is communist!”

The compass has never moved. Only your perception of it has

“Why don’t you communists try to be more conservative?”

That’s a wild suggestion that I’ve never seen before lol

Do you like/care for politics?

You could literally just go to their community and have a look for yourself too and decide whether or not it’s your vibe

Just cleaning up after your whitewashing

What crimes exactly has any of those communities committed? I must have missed those posts.

Also…I admitted some views can be extreme/incorrect. I never said they are the perfect instance. None is. And that’s not how you use that term by the way, my friend

Their community is just a bunch of trolls like you said

That’s not what I said :) you are very obviously misquoting my comments

I’m glad the instance I use block overtly toxic ones

Neat. Good for you then, that’s the beauty of the fediverse

Sorry this is not true.

It is true. That’s MY experience with them

They are very aggressive and attack every viewpoint harshly

And? I do too when I’m heated about a topic. If your viewpoint is to defend fascism, why not attack it? And I’m not talking specifically about you here. But if we’re debating, I expect someone to bring a good debate.

The reason instances ban them is they are not here for the conversation

Sorry this is not true.

And I already gave my explanation as to why in my original comment.

Nothing good comes from that community, only confrontation

So just like your comment? Lol jokes aside, I already addressed everything you said before. But I’m happy you were able to disagree and get it out of your system. I’ve noticed a lot of Lemmy users have this weird obsession with those instances, when in reality they are just instances. They have both shitty and normal users. It’s always more nuanced than that.

Hexbear, together with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml are left wing, communist instances here on Lemmy.

A lot of (new) users of Lemmy have very strong - as in negative - feelings about them because of their ideas. Which to me makes sense because a lot of these users tend to be more centrist in their views and have never read Marxist literature before.

I will be honest with you and tell you my experience: they can be dickish and straight up trollish in their behavior, but not anymore than your average online trolls. The actual main reason people dislike them, is because they stick together and sometimes “brigade” post which nominates them and talk shit about them.

I personally was on the receiving end of their trolling when I first joined Lemmy too. But among the trolls, there were also very nice users who gave me friendly replies. And I had great conversations with them.

Eventually I even decided to open an alt account in one of those instances to learn more about their views and engage with them on their political knowledge. I really enjoy learning from them and having open conversations about politics with them. Even when sometimes I see their more extreme opinions, I still try to always be open minded at first. More often than not, I will learn that something I used to think on a subject, was the result of historical misconceptions or straight up propaganda. That is not to say that they can’t be wrong of course. But it pays off to be receptive about new points of view.

There are some elements that can be considered extreme, especially to someone from the general public who has never engaged in political conversations with someone who is very much to the left. It takes a little adjustment if you want to try and engage because so much of the media and literature we consume reinforce our views on the system while they specifically try to be critical of it.

Bur FOR SURE you will never see that instance be racist or bigoted. I have lost counts how many times I’ve seen that in other instances, but with them, you know exactly where they stand on that. As in, they do NOT tolerate that.

Tldr: Hexbear (with Lemmygrad and Lemmy.ml) are openly communist instances on Lemmy. They are very vocals because they have a large userbase. They can be trolls that stick together sometimes. If you are politically interested/involved, I instead recommend joining one of their instances to see for yourself.

Edit: you can also tell how much people here have a negative feeling about those instances by the reactions in this post. Everything remotely critical is upvoted, while anything that even hints a positive opinion of them, will be downvoted. And then more and more users will start downvoting without even reading the comments. And they will start attacking users because they disagree and feel the need to attack them because “that instance bad”…in a way not too dissimilar from the brigading I mentioned before for some of the users from those instances. Showing you a real life example of how there are extreme users in every online community

I remember reading somewhere that one of the possible reasons for that feeling might be because of the change in times.

As in, when we go to work, we usually have to wake up early and then have our routine during the rest of the day. But on holidays/during the weekend, we tend not to follow any schedules. And then after getting used to waking up whenever we want (or later than usual), we get cranky because our body is (forced to get) used to our working schedule.

So a solution might be go to bed at times that aren’t too different from your usual times during your working days.

Basically, some consistency with your sleep might help.

And please don’t tell me “just change jobs”.

Fair. Can I then suggest a social and political revolution to change the current system in which we have to waste our lives working for rich fucks who don’t care about us?

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It isn’t necessarily my personal view, its what I’ve experienced empirically throughout certain forum based internet spaces

Unless you ran experiments/collected data (in which case, I woul genuinely love to see that) to gather such info, your “empirical” data is just observation-based. In which case, it can be skewed.

I’ve noticed your account is relatively new. So of course if one were to hang out with centrists and/or on Reddit, the average experience would be unbalanced as the typical use of the term tankie would be viewed as “generic insult to a person on the political left”.

But on Lemmy I’ve noticed far more people using the term tankie accurately to describe a specific fringe of the leftist movement. The type of fringe that, for example, still defends the USSR no matter what and is incapable of criticizing authoritarianisms.

Having said all of this…welcome to Lemmy! Lol hope you like it here :)

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