Other people. Individualism is taken to it extreme limit where nobody else matter is the norm in the West. Why should “I” improve the life of any other people?
i was shocked to go online and see mountains of hate for The Last Jedi. i thought it was amazing
I think the hate Last Jedi receives is overblown BUT it was trash. I was semi hopeful after TFA (in hindsight it set the groundwork for a lot of the bad parts) and forgave it some of its flaws due to being the forst movie in a while and having to restart the franchise when it came to theaters but I walked out of TLJ and wanted my time back.
I think there is a lot of hate for Rey that’s actual misogyny hidden behind the legitimate criticism. But the characters writing doesn’t help that situation. I don’t think any of the other characters are written much better so the fact Rey ends up getting most of the hate boils down to her being a woman and her being the main character (I cannot even guess which of these two weighs more into that equation, which is a shame. Her being female really shouldn’t factor into this). The entire movie just felt very silly to me. It makes for good eye candy but if you think deeper about anything that could be construed as a message in that movie it just falls apart imo.
Tl;dr: I don’t think it should come as a shock that the movoe got hate, it was pretty bad all things considered, but the amount sure was shocking
“Amazing” is too strong imo, but it was way better than the other two in it’s trilogy
You should see a doctor immediately - something is obviously wrong with you.
Jk, enjoy whatever you want, I am not the gatekeeper of your enjoyment but understand you are definitely wrong in this one :)
i disagree. everybody is wrong except me. about all things i am opinionated on
Funny it was the opposite for me.
Every five minutes I had to stop myself from going “What the fuck?!” Out loud in the theaters.
Like the story is nonsensical, characters go full stupid in every possible scene, there are multiple massive issues with time and character location, the plot breaks the previously established rules of the universe, character development on old and new characters is just dumped for plot convenience, Rey becomes even more of a Mary Sue than she already was. I could go on, it’s just a massive shit on the previous films.
Watching it feels like you let a freshman film student direct a plot that was written by a committee of toddlers. I don’t see how it’s a good movie let alone a good entry into the Star wars franchise.
why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
why don’t the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
there’s plenty of problems with the film without being a frothing misogynist. It’s better than rise of skywalker but i’d rather watch the holiday special.
Gosh, you remember more about that movie than I do; I spent a lot of the time in that theater waiting for the plot to develop. Or, you know, character interactions to change. I felt like the movie should have been cut in half. But rather than hate on Rey being a main character, I’ll just get on with my life tyvm.
. But rather than hate on Rey being a main character
i didn’t mention her at all? There are probably problems with Rey but i don’t know what they are because everything about the story is so nonsensical. She’s a soft reboot of luke, i guess, the same way the movies were soft reboot rather than a logical progression of the pretend material conditions at the end of RoTJ. not to mention anything resembling 30 years of books exploring post-endor events.
Oh, I wasn’t referring to your problems with TLJ, I was referring to people who make hating TLJ their whole personality–you know, the ones you can allow to talk for about a minute and three different bigotry colors will shine bright. There’s “TLJ was bad,” then there’s these guys, who usually can’t stop talking about Rey.
oh yeah for sure
I don’t really care about the honor of Rian Johnson, but I don’t think your points are correct.
why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
Cloaking devices were introduced in Episode I
why don’t the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
The tracking device makes hyperspace jumping a game of hopscotch. There’s not really a point.
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
Yeah, this one is kinda dumb, but it’d be possible for a small ship to escape unnoticed and get out of range in order to jump to lightspeed.
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
Those rules are established in the books/supplemental materials, which aren’t canon to the film series. The film-makers have no obligation to respect them. Episode 7 also breaks/rewrites the hyperspace rules.
Luke’s character “development” happening entirely off-screen (and throwing out better character development from decades of books) makes the flashback scene completely unbelievable.
None of the books are canon. It makes sense that people change over long time skips, and they did outline the rationale for his mindset changes in the flashback.
Cloaking devices were introduced in Episode I
no they were introduced in a TIE Fighter expansion, and if you’re going to say there was a romulan-ass cloaking device in phantom menace i’m gonna need a wookieepedia link beacause i do not remember that shit
The tracking device makes hyperspace jumping a game of hopscotch. There’s not really a point.
instead of a dumbass chase that makes no sense you can microjump some of the ships in front of the rebels, or call in more ships from somewhere else if there’s time for the fucking b-plot.
Those rules are established in the books/supplemental materials, which aren’t canon to the film series. The film-makers have no obligation to respect them. Episode 7 also breaks/rewrites the hyperspace rules.
throwing out the canon was the first bad decision jj and the other execs made, but even without knowing or caring about anything but the movies… all the fucky things disney movies did with hyperjumps means things like the falcon’s escape from mos eisley didn’t need to happen and the blockade of naboo couldn’t have worked because the “can’t go to hyperspace in a gravity well” was thrown out. the big fights against the death stars (hell the death stars themselves) were totally pointless because you could just destroy anything big and slow moving by hyper-ramming it, etc. indefensible on both matters.
It makes sense that people change over long time skips, and they did outline the rationale for his mindset changes in the flashback.
it’s hack writing to have a change like that happen entirely off-screen, and the flashback is just luke about to murder an innocent person who hasn’t done anything wrong yet because of a vision. how the fuck does luke get to that point in 20 years of whatever happened after the battle of endor where it’s heavily implied that the rebels were going to win the war? it’s totally unearned. (Also the state of galactic politics being completely unchanged from the beginning of a new hope is stupid and terrible but that’s not rian’s fault.)
To add to the list of non-chud reasons to dislike it, the plot is driven entirely by characters doing the dumbest thing possible at every turn on all sides for little to no reason.
Someone once pointed out the First Order could have ended the movie in the first ten minutes by having their dreadnaught just shoot the Resistance’s capital ship instead of the planetary (read: entirely stationary) base first, or by having the dreadnaught’s fighter screen/escort ships deployed instead of just chilling and doing nothing the entire fight.
The Resistance should have had all their ships run away in different directions. Sure one of them will get chased down and blown away, but 95% escaping would have been a much better result than what they got. My headcanon is that if Leia hadn’t been unconscious that’s exactly what she would have done, and Holdo was at a “Civil War General” level of incompetence.
But the Rey/Luke/Kylo stuff was great. Rian Johnson actually figured out something to do with the Jedi that hadn’t been done before, and killing off the bad Emperor knockoff was 100% the right call. Every character in that plot was actively making decisions that revealed their character rather than being propelled along by plot contrivance, it was great.
There’s also a ton of potential in the B plot, all you have to do it rewrite it a bit. Maybe they find out that the dreadnought isn’t tracking them with a new piece of technology after all, and since they can’t find a tracking device they suspect there’s a spy. Maybe the reason they go to the rich people planet isn’t to find some macguffin guy, but to find the people funding the FO and shoot them. The Jedi plot ends with Rey deciding not to burn the Jedi’s teachings - you could dramatically pair that with Finn deciding to blow up the arms dealers profiting off of endless galactic war.
the only good thing i think is killing snoke like that. subverting expectations just to subvert them isn’t good, just like tropes aren’t automatically bad but the snoke death added stakes to the events.
Luke’s character “development” happening entirely off-screen (and throwing out better character development from decades of books) makes the flashback scene completely unbelievable. kylo is no jacen
It was the best of its trilogy and most criticism is complete nonsense, but it still wasn’t a great movie. An anti-war deconstruction of Star Wars got made into an actual Star Wars. And that was probably fantastic at one point, but the edit we got was soured by obvious corporate meddling - like the ‘whoops, nevermind’ ending.
Three simple things would’ve saved it.
One, end the Rey / Kylo story immediately after their fight together. ‘Join me.’ Tense silence. No more Rey until the next movie.
Two, have some shellshocked nobody find the crystal fox things and save the good guys. She doesn’t need lines. She doesn’t need a name. The Force is in all living things. Anyone can be a hero.
Three, don’t hand the finale back to JJ fucking Abrams.
rise of skywalker fucked up everything. they tried to appease the fans and it failed big time
It’s a plot faucet. From an old discussion elsewhere:
Spreading 9 across two movies could not have helped. Sudden introduction was not the problem with a rehash of ROTJ and AOTC - quadrupling down on the Death Star lasers while also pulling a secret army out of thin air. Multiple fake-out deaths would be so much worse if they kept happening in two films. Giving people time to think about the macguffin chase could only make it sillier. They need a map in a thing from a guy who’s dead but has a knife matching ruins so it’s a map to the thing and they don’t even get it. But somehow they manage to fly through a rehash of the clouds from Solo, to where a zillion ships rely on one radio tower, and their brilliant plan for a wild-west shootout atop a spaceship - with horses! - completely fails until two zillion ships fly in to help. They just fly in. Through the secret cloud maze. Which is so un-navigable that it’s the only thing keeping the bad guys in, because spaceships can’t look up.
I heavily disagree, that movie disrespected the entire cast if you ask me. There was not a single story thread in TLJ that I found to be even slightly well thought out. Plenty of good ideas but the executions were horribly botched.
I cannot say anything abput Rise of Skywalker since I haven’t watched it but I don’t think tjat matters for the following. Imo TLJ was not the best movie out of the three, if we look at them in isolation, I could maybe see that being the case. But it isn’t a movie in isolation. It’s a sequel to a movie that already ate up most of the goodwill around. At least personally I was willing to cut TFA a lot of slack since it was the first movie in a good while for the Star Wars Universe. I was not willing to do so for TLJ sonce it was the second movie and they really should have had some idea of what the plan was by then. TFA probably screws over the trilogy harder than TLJ with its plot but TLJ doesn’t get the “Has to restart movie franchise” card that TFA got.
Aforementioned complete nonsense. You’re blaming the middle movie for what the other movies did.
No not really, TLJ on its own sucks. TFA also sucks. Probably even moreso. But when TFA came out it had an advantage that counterweighed a lot of the issues. TLJ did not have that luxury. I think we think of this differently. I have not watched the movies again after their cinematic release so I’m rating them as I experienced them then. If I rewatched these movies now I might agree with you since TFA does not have any “new movie after ages” hype bonus clouding my mind.
The only thing I’m blaming on TLJ is in hindsight making TFA even worse since its failure turned the first movie into a premonition instead of a weak start.
Rian provided answers for JJ’s mystery-box bullshit. They weren’t JJ’s answers, but as the third movie proved, JJ’s answers sucked. Spreading that garbage thinner would not improve the smell.
One answer in particular was fucking incredible writing: Rey’s parents were nobodies. Every aspect of the movie is telling the audience, nobody owes you a destiny, go do cool stuff. Anyone can be a hero. Hey kids, remember how Luke used to be some dirt farmer who saved the universe? Like an identifiable protagonist, and not the secret heir of a prophesied royal messiah? Here you go. Four more of those. Some backwater survivor who can kick ass with a broom handle and three flavors of burned-out space pilot.
JJ going ‘nuh uh!’ wasn’t necessary, clever, or excusable. He dragged the franchise back, kicking and screaming, to being 100.0% about one family of aristocratic space wizards. Slapped that shit right in the title. And yet - people regurgitate that Rian tried to undo everything. You closed out the comment by describing how JJ did that, and at no point do those neurons talk to one another.
Messing up the Sequels was a team effort. JJ’s Setup was shit but Rian’s own writing wasn’t any better. Nothing in JJ’s Setup requires a Bullshit Holdo maneuver, or turning Luke into a character from an alternate Universe. Yes the bag of Mysteries Rian was handed was full of steaming shit but that doesn’t really matter because in the end he decided to add some shit of his own before handing it back to JJ. You claim I say Rian fucked up the Trilogie, he didn’t. He only fucked up 1/3 of it. TLJ however did in retrospect change my view on TFA because, as we agree, JJ’s Mystery boxes turned out to be shit. I don’t claim that Rian fucked that up, he simply tore off the bandaid with his own bad movie. The blame for TFA (and Rise of
SkywalkerPalpatine) lays solely with JJ.As I said in another comment chain: TLJ was bad, but the hate it gets is overblown.
He only fucked up 1/3 of it.
That math doesn’t math. He was directly responsible for 2/3s of it, and the other third he plowed over.
Rian’s script was a genuinely excellent anarchist critique of space opera. Whether or not that belongs in a numbered Star Wars movie is debatable. But the real disconnect with the audience is the edit. The film we got is not excellent. The film we got is not exactly good. And yet - all popular criticism is this same irrelevant fluff.
Luke being a hermit was JJ’s fault. It was immutable, when Rian began. Rian’s explanation was fine. Jesus Christ, his description of the Force is incredible. People keep shitting on his opinion of the Jedi as if the Jedi way didn’t fail the Republic, fail his parents, and fail his mentors, all two of whom kept playing mind games even after death. Some girl shows up expecting How To Hero 101 and of course he says no.
I ask you - as opposed to what?
Sketch it out for me. What does Luke’s motivation look like, when a Force-sensitive rando shows up on his extremely private retreat, offering a tool he built from scratch and obviously abandoned? The man knows smugglers, bounty hunters, militants, and diplomats. He’s attuned to a psychic power that permeates all life and matter. Some glorified barkeep having his backup glowstick in her basement would not stop him from getting it, if he set aside a month and gave half a shit. Tell me what it would look like, if it looked like that Luke Skywalker was well-written, in your eyes.
Me, personally? I’m quite happy with him kicking Rey straight down the only-what-you-take-with-you hole. He doesn’t toy with her except to show her she doesn’t need training and shouldn’t want training. Yoda played some Mister Miyagi shit while he was looking for a level-up before 1v1-ing the scariest motherfucker in the universe. “Ben” was a dutch uncle his whole life and never mentioned he had space-wizard bona fides, nevermind that his dad was alive and well and the scariest motherfucker in the universe. Jedi hermit Luke points out: the fact this trilogy exists means that what Luke did did not work. Of course he tells her not to repeat his mistakes. His ambition did not solve the problem.
I never got that either. It’s clearly the best of the three from the new trilogy. I mean, low bar, but still
Non white people,sadly.
Yeah only Nascar for me. Horses are stoopud
Same as dog races - dogs are ugly af aswell
Yea as a European I don’t get into IndyCar and nascar sorry.
Hawaiian pizza
Cilantro
Coriander is hit and miss, but it’s genetic.
Get some ivory soap in ur molars and you’ll get it
I don’t like cilantro. I don’t hate cilantro. Everyone shouts that it’s a genetic thing, so apparently it’s not possible that I can have a distaste for a common food while also not thinking it tastes like soap.
Every time it comes up, somebody wants to feel smug and tell me “well you know…”. It’s the one food where if you don’t like it, it has to be a genetic thing. Maybe I can just not like how it tastes as much as others. Maybe I don’t mind it in salsa but don’t like it in my soup. Just because I don’t mind a finger in my butt doesn’t mean I want a dick in my mouth.
I’m the opposite. My sister and dad hate it, so it’s very possible I have the gene, plus it tastes like soap to me, but only mildly and I kinda like it. I don’t want to eat a tabbouleh made with cilantro instead of parsley, but a sprig or two freshens a dish up nicely.
Mango (only fresh ones and more so near the stem and pit) and rosemary also taste like soap to me, but I also enjoy them 🤷
Battlefield Earth. I saw a schlocky sci-fi movie. The internet has since informed me it’s the modern Birth of a Nation or something.
scientology is a helluva drug
That’s because it’s actual cult propaganda. As in “it’s literally made by the church of Scientology, based on the founding literature of Scientology as written by Scientologist leader L Ron Hubbard, by Scientologist actors”
In a vacuum? Yeah it’s cheesy sci fi. With context? Hoo boy…
Mushrooms
Mushrooms are sooooo good tho
Fry them up in some oil and eat with scrambled eggs 😋
I wish I liked mushrooms. It’s a phobia for me. Maybe I can get therapy for it.
I hated mushrroms my whole childhood. Ate magic mushrooms when I was about 19, and they changed my opinion of mushrroms in general. Like I suddenly appreciated their earthy, woody, umami beauty.
Along with a lot of people preparing them improperly, people just can’t get over the whole fungus thing. I slowly acclimated my wife, and after years of encouragement to try them, mushrooms are now one of her favorite foods, which kind of sucks because now I have to share my mushrooms. All it took was her trying them one single time.
It’s a texture thing I think. If I take a bite with mushroom in it, my like animal hind brain just straight up rejects it. Gagging spitting, the whole tottler experience. No conscious thoughts, no tasting, just reflex
I know what you mean. I tend to cut them very fine and take a good long time to cook off all the water in them so they become firmer and less “squeaky” feeling. It helps.
I grew up hating mushrooms. It wasn’t until I was an adult that I learned that my mom was a bad cook. Now I eat them, and many items I hated as a child, all the time.
The last thing I just can’t get behind is olives. And I keep trying in the hopes of something clicks, but it hasn’t
I LOVE pineapple on pizza. The best pizza recipe IMO is BBQ sauce, with chicken breast, bacon, and pineapple.
That sounds pretty nice, especially if you added onions to that! Might have to give that a go at some point.
Nobody actually hates it, it’s just a joke that’s been dead for 3 decades and beaten into the ground
i dislike pineapple and like pizza so
It’s such tired posturing as well, like yeah fine whatever
Black Licorice
My mother likes black licorice and so my sister and I grew up eating and enjoying it every Easter. Turns out most people hate the stuff.
Yeah part of why I liked Halloween was those bags of black and orange jelly beans. The only jellybean flavors I liked as a kid. I love licorice, anise, fennel. My kids do too. They ask for fennel instead of onion in a lot of foods.
I do understand people not liking it though, it’s a strong and odd flavor. Like cantaloupe.
Biomutant.
I really wanted to like it, but the world felt so empty. While everything looks beautiful you can’t really interact with anything. On top of that the combat didn’t feel right, like you weren’t actually hitting the enemies. The world and setting were really interesting though and it looked great, but just didn’t deliver on the gameplay side in my opinion.
This was 10+ years ago, but I was surprised by how many Brits hated Top Gear when to me and a lot of other non-Brits it was just the funny British banter car show with the three cartoon characters
Thank you for reminding me of my favourite Stewart Lee bit.
Bananas and olives.
There are generally 5 things that I don’t like to eat.
- bugs and likewise shit (not food).
- Seafood with the shells still on. It’s a phobia I’m working on.
- Broccoli because I’m allergic
- kiwi because I’m allergic
- And fucking disgusting olives.
What, together?
No, separated. I’m not some kind of savage.
My question was the same as above, because I’m kind of concerned.
Bur your actual answer is:
- Bananas.
- Olives.
1991 Hook with Robin Williams. I love that movie, but it seems that most people I encounter that didn’t grow up with it think it’s lame and boring.
So maybe not hate, but not love either.
“I’ve had an idea… Lightning has just struck my brain…” “Oh, that must of hurt!”
It’s in that part of my brain that was written before I understood media being ‘good’ and ‘bad’, so my memory of it just is, I’ve never stopped to think about its quality.
For those of us who grew up with it, it was amazing! I saw it in the theater on release.
Nice!
This is news to me. I was too cool for everything at the time and still enjoyed it.
This is one that I liked as a kid but doesn’t hold up as an adult.
Creepy Tinkerbell was very, very weird.
