Trump brought nothing but fear
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I don’t think there was much that will hurt Harris from it. She performed very well.
She was articulate, well-spoken, performed well unscripted, and next to Trump she looked like she had her shit very together.
Kamala is the best version of a normal politician fighting against Trump. It remains to be seen if that’s enough, because he’s just so goddamn weird that it’s difficult to even compare Tool A to Problem B.
I think she’s incorporated virtually all of the strengths of any of her comparable peers, and almost none of their weaknesses. I think that, given the nature of the opponent and his total lack of seriousness, she said everything I would reasonably hope she would have said during this debate.
I also think that I don’t properly understand the collective psyche of the American electorate. I don’t understand how the election could be this close, when it is a choice between a serious, competent, passionate, talented professional, and a man who is literally a collection of all of the worst possible traits a person could have. That it could come down to such a narrow choice is a mystery for the ages.
I also think that I don’t properly understand the collective psyche of the American electorate. I don’t understand how the election could be this close, when it is a choice between a serious, competent, passionate, talented professional, and a man who is literally a collection of all of the worst possible traits a person could have.
Because they’re both genocidal, slave-driving sentient trashpiles that only deserve the second coming of John Brown each, maybe?
I streamed it while I was working on other things but I thought it was pretty hilarious. Kamala seemed to be intentionally pushing Trumps buttons to derail him and he just could not accept that he is not universally loved.
Honestly though, given how Trump lies and Kamala was putting on a show the whole thing seemed so cynical and pointless. I’ve watched every presidential and vice presidential debate since Bush Jr.‘s second term even in the "good ol’ days" when it wasn’t just a sound bite circus very rarely was a president even able to achieve the lofty goals they pitched the American people on.
The whole thing is farcical in 2024. The lack of shared reality the Trump era has ushered in makes it next to impossible to trust anything a politician says. Kamala had spunk and moxy and was very down to earth and likeable, but policy wise she made a lot of statements the presidency doesn’t have the power to deliver on. Even with the insane power the supreme court gave the executive branch a few months ago.
Trump was Trump. It’s pretty clear how much his brain has rotted when you compare this debate with the one he had with Clinton. But otherwise you can’t trust a single word he says. His position on any matter is irrelevant because he’ll retcon it later if it’s inconvenient. Meanwhile Kamala vowed to continue helping our frenemies do some ethnic cleansing and spent most of the debate posturing for the idiots to stupid to already have an opinion.
Nah. He’s a sheepdog for the genociders too.
Who is we if you’re not American?
That’s a good split mate, if we have Bernie they can have Trump as many times as they want.
Trump started off coherent, but ~30% in he went of the rails.
Kamala on the other hand looks like she has no strong values, she doesn’t seem like a Dem candidate. What kind of Dem candidate is pro fracking? Kamala honestly seems disingenuous.
Trump on the other hand didn’t form more than 20 complete sentences, so I can’t really call him disingenuous because he doesn’t seem to stand for anything
What kind of Dem candidate is pro fracking?
One who exists in a fucked up electoral system where the entire fate of our country rests upon a few thousand votes in western PA.
Yup here we go with the they’re equally bad fallacy
fallacy is when real thing I don’t like
They’re both going to make us all part, parcel, and accomplice to genocide, so… Yeah. That’s kind of my entire angle right now, is “who is going to make this aberration against history end faster, and who is going to end the cycle of genocidal settlerdom this country perpetuates faster”. By any means necessary at this point.
Genuinely, I won’t even consider social, domestic issues until it becomes clear to me that genocide has finally become a non-starter for the average Amerikan liberal; I no longer care. Either the genocide can end, or “grill-pilled” brunch-goer Amerikans can start getting uncomfy.
I think it’s time to watch the party die.
Completely and utterly masturbatory. The reality is that the US is extremely polarized politically because the living standards are collapsing. There are basically two competing narratives for why that’s happening, and people subscribe to one or the other. The democrats and republicans have fundamentally different world views, so nobody is going to be swayed by the debate. People subscribing to each respective view will hear what they want to hear.
People who will vote for Harris are the ones who think that the dems have been doing a good job for the past three and a half years, meanwhile people who aren’t happy with the way things are going will vote against them or stay home. It’s that simple.
The democrats and republicans have fundamentally different world views
Correction: the democrats and republicans have fundamentally different standards of decorum and of how close they can be to the stench of the consequences of their highly similar world views without turning away.
Fair, it’s more that each one sees themselves as being an antithesis of the other.
Was working during the debate, but caught a few seconds of it here and there while delivering.
Trump looked really tired, like he missed his afternoon bump.
Kamala looked like a fighter in her prime.
Just a shallow perspective from someone who tried to avoid the debate as much as possible.
Predictably, it was a shit show. Trump was doing his normal routine of batshit crazy stupidity. Harris was level headed and sensible, minus the bit about the “most lethal army” and pro fracking stuff. It’s mind boggling to me that to think that it will sway votes. How could you possible look at these options and change your mind only after the debate? But at the same time I know it doesn’t matter, I know that there are still people who will somehow be swayed.
Got Liz and Dick Cheney
Yeah, I checked that off my bingo/drinking game as well
Didn’t watch it, but the headlines, posts and memes are prime choice so far!
But one thing I haven’t seen mentiones yet is something I only stumbled upon when a browser was showing headline snippets. Harris outright said that both she and Walz are gun owners, they’re not “taking anyone’s guns” and outright told that orange turd to stop with his blatant lies. As a blue gun owner…then fills me with joy.
Mexican here. Can confirm that we have plenty of stray dogs and cats here to eat. We have plenty of pet dogs and cats to eat too, but it’s troublesome to deal with their owners/masters. Don’t worry about us, we won’t go there to eat your pets. I wish my fellow countrymen wouldn’t have to go there and expose themselves to be treated this unfairly.
My favorite was when he accused the entire world of giving people to Harris so she could place them into the US as harmfully as possible.
Nobody deserves that leadership. It’s embarrassing.
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collapse is less of an event, and more of a protracted decay and crumbling away of its structural integrity, out of which the existing contradictions which had been always simmering below the surface become increasingly sharp at points and times and ruptures along the fault lines begin to appear at increasing rates
I know you’re joking, but if the U.S. does actually collapse, very few people on the planet will have the fortune of being unaware.
They should do another debate next week between two people who are not running and can actually answer questions and talk about policy. Just to show us what we could have. Elizabeth Warren vs Mitt Romney.
Then a Bill Clinton vs George W Bush rematch.
Bill Clinton never debated George W Bush
Only George HW Bush.
The Heritage Foundation released one that includes several former Trump staff and the current VP nominee; it is Project 2025. You aren’t going to get anything more precise out of Trump or his campaign.
Harris released her full platform and it is ok. I’m sure people want her to do more, but I don’t know if she has the votes for it.
I don’t think you are going to get a full policy update because the policies in Project 2025 are so bad and the Trump campaign doesn’t want to run on it. That’s why Trump is running on the idea he will stop immigrants from eating your pets.
