We’re actively disinformed. That’s why. It’s really that simple.
As an example of the deeply ingrained disinformation and brainwashing, see a comment I made earlier today regarding Liberals continuously blaming progressives for Trumps win — without evidence — instead of the statistically verifiable, and multi-decade ratfuckery by the fascists… not to mention the ~100 million American adults who refuse to vote in every election (aka. the 100 million adults Liberals continuously fail to motivate), or the ~80 million voters who support fascist authoritarianism, or the corporations who have corrupted the political class and propagandized the entire population for 5 decades, or the political class who continuously serve the oligarchy.
War is peace! Freedom is slavery! The political class, bought and paid for by fascists, will save us from fascism!
Honestly, I just block the people who keep repeating that kinds of BS. They aren’t worth my mental energy.
Does that mean I miss out on a bunch of discussions on .world? yes, but not wasting my mental energy on bad-faith arguments is worth it.
It’s all very culty with partisan people of both stripes.
Most of us are concerned.
The minority are concerned because the US government has done unethical and malicious medical stuff to minorities, which makes some level of hesitancy for those groups understandable. Not the cod oil instead of vaccines bullshit white middle class and up promote, that is pure snake oil propaganda.
Intentionally infecting black airmen with syphillus and giving them placibos instead of treatments so they could track long term effects.
As an example.
They weren’t intentionally infected, they were just deliberately not given the cure. It doesn’t make a difference at the end of the day, but it is important to distinguish because that is probably part of how those involved in the study justified their actions.
E.g.,
“I didn’t give them the disease, so I’m not responsible for what happens to them”
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Americans are not a monolith. Tons of Americans are concerned. Tons are not. Also many Americans have lives where these issues the news typically stirs up don’t really actually impact their daily lives. Others are dramatically affected. It really depends on location and status, among so many factors.
Various news and online channels might have you thinking all Americans are basically the same and experiencing things the same, but they are definitely not.
And yet every state has the same leading causes of death. Nearly any two states are more alike than either of those states and another country.
Because “totally preventable” is financially unaffordable for most of us. My insurance won’t help pay for vaccines unless I get them done during a PCP appointment, but those are scheduled months in advance. I normally go to my local pharmacy and pay $20 for a flu shot, but covid vaccines are like $100-300 without insurance.
I’ve had gastro problems for a few years now, but because insurance and bureaucracy, I JUST got a scope done yesterday and they found a bunch of ulcers in my intestines that I’ve just been living with, untreated, because there’s no option to speed things up without money. It COULD have been caught years ago, but getting prompt medical care is too bougie for me.
The leading cause of death is not viral infection, it’s heart disease. And heart disease is 100% preventable through diet that is cheaper than the SAD. There are more examples. Just go down the leading causes of death of Americans, they are largely preventable.
And heart disease is 100% preventable through diet that is cheaper than the SAD.
I need a source on congenital heart disease not existing.
Lol got me. I am of course referring to atherosclerosis, which is on its own the leading cause of death of Americans. Now what?
I just did a quick search, maybe you have a better source I can refer to?
Edit: Specifically for the 100% claim, not saying diet doesn’t help.
Note that says reverse, not prevent. This means that if you are on the verge of a heart attack, you may wish to consider additional interventions. CVD takes years of bad behaviour.
Atherosclerosis is acquired from diet. There is no other way to get it. The components of diet that lead to atherosclerosis are entirely avoidable. They are not just non-essential, they are harmful.
I have a resource I can check for a source, but I don’t think you’re fully acting in good faith. You keep trying to deny the premise rather than actually engaging with it. Like I’m trying to pull one over on you or something. Or, like 99% of other Americans, you are desperately trying to avoid processing the truth of the matter.
I get that you are skeptical. I also see that you are not informed. So maybe just take a minute and consider, what if it’s true? What would that discussion look like?
(Here is a collection of links to research showing that CVD is both preventable and largely reversible: https://pmri.org/research/heart-disease)
I just have trust problems whenever somebody says a medical condition is 100% one thing and nothing else could ever cause or cure it. I’ve had too many doctors tell me that my GI problems are just anxiety and couldn’t possibly be a real thing. I’ve had doctors tell me that my GI problems are actually an eating disorder and I need more antidepressants. I’ve had doctors tell me that I should be happy about my GI problems because a lot of people struggle with losing weight.
So yeah, diet is a tricky subject for me right now, because all I want to do is eat a normal meal, and the main response I’ve gotten has been “have you tried eating normal meals?”
I know your pain. Well, no, but I know a similar pain. Years of getting root canals at the dental school. Years and years of untreated adhd lending to my poor impulse control which would get me in even more trouble. It wasn’t until I became profitable to society that society would invest back into me. Great society you have there. Really.
They want us to be poor and sick so we’re easier to control.
Probably the same reason Europeans drink and smoke too tbh
The risk seems worth it. Either because the see it as lower than it is or that the loss of life less valuable than others see it.
Except the benefits of rejecting vaccines and modern medicine are 🤷.
Honestly, again, the same reason many people drink and smoke.
Social activity, cohesion, etc
Most people don’t do most things rationally
But we hanged that dude on a cross, did you miss the news?
This is one of those scenarios where it may be better to look at fiber detail
- life expectancy by state has an 8 year range, from 72 to 80 years
- our nightmare of health coverage … In 2018, …coverage rates ranged from 82.3% of people in Texas to 97.2% of people in Massachusetts.
- average income almost doubles, from $87,063 down to $46,511.
You can go down a list of stats related to quality of life, and see similarly large ranges by state, and the ones on the low end correlate strongly with people who voted Republican. These are poorer people with worse education, worse health, much less income, voting for disrupting the status quo without understanding what that means
The leading cause of death is the same. The leading cause of death of poor Republicans is the same as that of wealthy cardiologists: preventable forms of heart disease. There is so much toxic masculinity and superstition about food in the USA, even people who know better conform to the cultural norms, and kill themselves with unhealthy food.
That’s exactly the type of stereotype I was refuting. Some states have life expectancy similar to developed countries and some are more like developing, and I’ll bet preventable heart disease is the leading cause of death everywhere.
And I’m saying that’s looking for a reason to be helpless. The behavioral differences between educated and uneducated are shockingly small. Regardless of your education, you (AA5B) are probably doing the same stupid things, some of which you know you shouldn’t be doing, but you keep doing them because of cultural conditioning. Leading to your own predictable, preventable death. Knowing that is hard to cope with and there are entire industries dedicated to helping people find a reason to be helpless and just accept their situation, when they could easily change. And some do.
Preventable heart disease is the leading cause of death in every US state, but not of every nation. It is not the leading cause of death in Japan, and nearly that alone enables them to have one of the highest life expectancy of any nation. Any two US states are more alike each other than they are a healthy country.
Canada is the USA with good (for the sake of discussion…) healthcare. The life expectancy is only slightly better, because they share the “Standard American Diet.” There is only so much medicine can do with people are killing themselves at every meal.
Science showed things like climate change, which was hurting the bottom line of giant corporations who donate huge amounts of money to Republicans, so Republicans convinced their base that science is against God, and that it’s all part of the evil woke liberals thing. So now anything that comes from science, including vaccines, is tainted.
Anyone know why someone would think being in a house fire means you’re relatively unconcerned about dying in a fire?
Cool anecdote?
I confirm this anecdote. Just got my booster yesterday, and I know I am not alone.
HATE: They are willing to accept anything as long as the people they hate suffer.
Many Americans are exactly as the stereotypes about them say they are, loud and stupid.
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Sad thing is that I don’t think gun restrictions would work cos criminals get their guns unlawfully
You can’t make concentrated firearms to smuggle into a country. They’re bulky, expensive and made from metal. They’re not heroin. Also, most of those illegal guns were legally purchased in another US state with looser laws, not smuggled in from another country.
Yep, they purchase them unlawfully because legislation isn’t a quick fix.
They purchase them from straw purchasers who get away with it because of lax laws in some states. Most states with stricter gun laws, the guns on the streets come from states with lax gun laws. If there were no states with lax laws there would be less of those guns on the streets.
It’s sadly not as simple as that when there’s already a lot of guns in the country. Realistically that can’t be changed in the current system. What would help in the immediate future is PSAs, training for professionals, risk assessments etc that can identify perpetrators. It’s not massively expensive and can be implemented in the existing system.
Probably something like 99.9% of guns or more are legal guns when they’re manufactured. If there were fewer legal guns produced and out there, there’d be fewer illegal guns for criminals, would-be or otherwise, to get their hands on.
Yes, it’s a slow fix though
It works in every other country.
Is there another country that illegalised guns when there were already a massive amount in the country? I’m unaware of one but happy to be enlightened if there is.
Buyback programs tend to work, because they’re “no questions asked” and illegal guns still get bought and taken off the street. Australia did one that was very effective, though they’re cheating since it’s an island.
But one thing you have to remember is the US is the largest source of illegal guns in the world, because it makes them legally and they get smuggled. 40% of guns used in crimes come from just four manufacturers.
If the US stopped making so many fucking guns it would actually make the whole world safer. Especially Mexico! Trafficked guns are the main source of the cartel’s armory.
It’s a fair point on ceasing manufacturing, I agree that would help with preventing incidents for future generations.
Which other countries with stricter gun restrictions than the US regularly have school shootings?
I don’t feel countries can be compared like that. School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun. They’re committing mass murder showing they’re not law abiding. Realistically there’s so many guns in America that even making guns illegal wouldn’t prevent guns in the country.
Instead there’s other things that could help, such as training professionals to identify perpetrators and warning signs they’re going to attack. PSAs could be done so people can ID people around them.
^OP, here’s the answer to your question
(Intellectual laziness and uncritical acceptance of propaganda).
School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun.
Cut this crap, this isn’t reddit. Most kids them get the guns from a relative or friend who obtained it legally and adequate storage laws reduce both suicides and homicides in kids. BTW, guns kill more kids now than cancer or car accidents, but only in the US. Your take is the best example of americans being unconcerned about preventable deaths.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate. I do voluntary work in DA, work in the supportive sector and have personally funded related uni courses (DA being linked to crime perpetration, incels, firearm misuse etc). I’ve done considerable research into academic articles on lone actor grievance fuelled violence. I do far more than the average person does, I just have a different perspective… partly due to the academic research I’ve read.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate…
What’s inaccurate? I made like 5 statements.
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Guns kill more school-aged kids than motor vehicle accidents and cancer (i had to recreate the stats from the CDC wonder database myself excluding anybody over 18 because schmucks kept on complaining about the NEJM article including 19-year-olds, which apparently invalidated the data, except that it didn’t)
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Gun suicides are mostly committed using firearms from friends and relatives.
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If you look at UK’s homicide stats and the US’s (BJS) homicide stats you can tell that actually the homicide rate difference is driven by firearms.
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It’s a fact that it is much harder to kill someone including oneself without a gun.
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States that have gun storage laws have lower firearm mortality in kids.
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Blablabla on your trust me because I did some research. I’m in academia and published half a dozen (non-gun) epidemiology papers to date as a side hustle so I do know how to use the CDC databases. I’ve been forced to dive into the gun violence data because I’m really fed up with all the disinformation.
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What I have seen no supportive evidence for to date is “that training professionals to identify perpetrators” (“hardening schools?”) has any effect on school shootings.
-Now let’s see your papers.
I’m referring to the personal remarks you made about me, they were inaccurate. Do you retract them?
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Sure, the shootings won’t stop the day legislation changes. But it prevents more guns from entering the US, making it more difficult to get one, even illegally.
I get that some people in the states need guns. Some communities have a real danger from bears etc. But those people can get a license to own a gun, the way it works in most countries.
Yes hopefully it would. It’s a slow drawn out process though, and america isn’t an island. It’s not a fix
Its not a fix, but a start in the right direction.
Yep, given the reality of how many firearms there are already, and the resources it would take to remove them… I think we should focus on other things.
Yes, I agree publicised school shootings are generally in the US. Did any of the other countries go from firearms being lawful to unlawful over the last few decades? The US has a huge amount already there, and that’s a significant difference.
Australia did it in 1996 and has only had one mass shooting since then in 2018
