Me as an ESL being utterly confused by people’s replies when apparently I understand “conservative” as per Merriam Webster dictionary definition 2.a “marked by moderation or caution”
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“I’m a dumbass who’s too embarrassed to say I vote Republican.”
“My definition of socially liberal is I don’t think gay people belong in death camps, per se.”
Just hidden away, out of view, in some closet…
Basically: “sToP sHoVinG yOuR gAYnEsS dOwn mY tHrOat!”
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Greedy cunt
“I don’t like being held responsible for the outcomes of the fiscal policies I fully support”
“I pick the parties on their rhetoric, not their record.”
I assume they vote liberal or are uncomfortable being seen as the hateful sack of shit they are.
If we’re talking America the parties align like this:
- Democrat: Socially moderate, fiscally conservative
- Republican: Socially regressive, fiscally liberal
I mean yeah probably. I mean when I think of defining liberal economics I think of what would Adolphe Thiers say. So yeah I think he’d be okay with handouts to his rich friends. Enriching the bankers and fucking over the working class.
“You’ve been duped”. Because people like this never acknowledge the amount of corporate welfare going on in America, if you want to be fiscally conservative, stop paying for profit companies from government coffers. Don’t go after food stamps, that is just veiled prejudice
They don’t pay attention to the world around them.
To the small handful of socially liberal and fiscally conservative folks that found this thread let me ask a few questions:
- Does it make more fiscal sense to build a chemical treatment plant next to a neighborhood of people that can afford lawyers or a neighborhood of those that can’t?
- What is the social makeup of each of those neighborhoods?
- How did that social makeup come to be?
“I’m an uninformed idiot.”
Conservatives are fiscally reckless. Look at every conservative president’s deficit spending, and economic crashes. Look at the states most dependent on federal funds.
Even if you had zero morals and voted 100% on fiscal policies, the best choice is very clearly not conservative.
The worst idiots are the ones who never admit when they’re wrong. Having the backbone to admit an error, change, and and move on speaks volumes.
Not even economically liberal, just irresponsible and corrupt.
I link this article every time the discussion comes up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
The first paragraph is a doozy.
Hence why republicans want to get rid of Wikipedia. For all of its faults they generally do a decent job of going slash and burn on any editors that cannot fully back themselves up or have clear political alegances.
Seeing the complete flopping of conservapedia, of course they want to get rid of it.
Anything that keeps a clear record of what people say or believe in, without that changing based on someone’s mood on a particular day is going to be a flop on that side of the spectrum.
I love yelling at my Facebook “friend” whenever gas prices go up a cent now. Under Biden it was all the damn time he’d cry about that but never acknowledged of it went down.
MUH EGGZ
Poes Law very much applies, but I’m pretty sure Conservapedia is a troll. Just look at their list of “Greatest Conservative Songs”.
Is it guaranteed they’re voting conservative when they say that?
Look, I think there is something to it, but you really have to give details. I’m good with free access to healthcare, good with people marrying whoever they want (over the age of 18), transgender rights, etc.
All of that. I love it all. But I’d rather not be taxed to hell and have those funds horribly mis managed. I’m okay with taxes but I know there is so much waste with my funds. That’s where I’d like improvement. I suppose in some eyes that would make me slightly fiscally conservative.
No, that means you just like a functioning government. That has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism.
If you were a fiscal conservative, you would be against spending any money on healthcare, let alone giving “free access” to everyone.
Does the fact that American “conservative” politicians are lying about it make it an invalid position to take?
‘You’re lying to either me, yourself, or both. You’re a full on conservative and don’t want to admit it.’’
Depends on if they mean capital C conservative or not
Conservativism, in all forms, is not a real ideology. It’s narcissism. A conservative will redefine conservative values based on their own identity.
So the “socially liberal, fiscally conservative” idiot is lying to themselves about who they are. They want fiscal policies that benefit themselves, and they don’t want to be labelled a bigot, but they are fine with bigots in office as long as they get the fiscal policies that benefit themselves.
Ask them what they mean by “fiscal conservative,” and they will probably vaguely gesture and say “lower taxes.” What they mean is “lower taxes for me.” Fiscal conservatives still want to spend government money on programs they like. They want boondoggles in their backyard, earmarks and pork barrel projects, and social safety nets as long as they are the recipient (Medicare, Social Security, Veteran benefits, etc.)
They want to frame it as responsible restraint. Pull funding from programs they don’t understand, like scientific research, or don’t like, like foreign aid (except of course if strong ties to their home country).
And when they say lower taxes, when pressed, they will describe how their property tax or income tax or capital gains tax or death tax is really bad “for the economy.” They want good schools and roads and infrastructure, but they want someone else to pay for it.
Calling themselves conservative gives them license to be as selfish as they want to be without having to admit that they don’t actually have any values.
The hatred of property tax really pisses me off.
I have a mortgage on the house in which I reside. I have to pay property tax on the house in which I reside. My annual property taxes are less than half the minimum monthly payment for my mortgage. If I can afford my monthly payment I can afford my taxes. If I can’t afford my monthly payment the taxes aren’t the problem.
And what do I actually get for that less than half a monthly mortgage payment in annual taxes?
- 2 large parks with miles of walking paths, a playground, a basketball and a soccer court, all maintained and within 2 blocks
- maintained roads to my house that are cleaned regularly
- decent schools nearby
Yes, I recognize I got lucky and am privileged enough to have, not just stable housing, but that which I “own,” but that just makes my distaste of the hatred of property taxes all the greater.
My problem with property tax is that (in the US) it creates a system by which areas with high property tax revenue (rich areas) recieive more money for schools. This is not bad on its face, but in the long term, it creates systems where poor neighborhoods have bad schools, can’t fund improvements, can’t attract good teachers, can’t attract residents, lose on tax revenue… and it cycles.
Hawaii has an interesting sysyem by which residents only pay tiny property taxes IF their primary residence is their only livable real estate.
It means “i’m not a racist, but i still prefer billionaires getting all the money”
