As is typical for the US, 1/3 are deeply aware, 1/3 are in full “patriotic” support, and 1/3 are too distracted by the latest TikTok dance to notice.
I think there’s another 1/3 - maybe at intersection of them all.
A great many people in shock, and don’t realise this is just America mask-off.
It’s standard American foreign policy and has been for 60 years. The wars they have started, the regime change, it’s all standard. Ask anyone in South America or the Middle East.
*100 years … America has been doing this since before any of the world wars
In a burning house with three people, one is fighting the fire, one is pouring gasoline on everything and one is on the couch watching TV.
I wish 1/3 of the USA were trying to put the fire out… The majority of this third are just watching in horror how the fire consumes their house
They are really earnestly and as hard as they can trying to put the raging fire out with a cheap children’s water pistol that isn’t working very well.
100% this. Every other memper of my family voted for this. I do my best, but they’re so blinded by the media and their own bias that it’s almost impossible to convince them on even 1 topic.
Its incredibly sad and frustrating actually
The fact that you are there and aware of what is happening to your country is hope for change. I always sound doom and gloom in my posts but I’m also hopeful for the change. I’m Indigenous Canadian and my entire life has always felt like failure in everything me and my family has been exposed to for generations. The greatest thing I learned from all of it is to never give up … even in the face of overwhelming odds.
Let’s add a 4th person in there, someone who thinks they’re helping by doing nothing but yelling that the fire isn’t allowed to burn things
More like yelling at the one fighting the fire because they’re getting water everywhere
“If you had just picked a better water bucket, we wouldn’t be in this mess. It’s your fault if the house burns down.”
If more of you would have voted for Jill Stein, we wouldn’t be in this mess!
/s in case that wasn’t obvious
It’s you. They’re talking about you.
Please, elaborate…
Democrats are the ones criticizing the ones actually trying to put out the fire but doing jack shit about it.
What’s more, they’re the ones who doused the house with gas not a half a year ago, and whenever they’re not delighting in the terror going “oh I bet you must love it, you didn’t vote for the lady with the matches and now you got the guy with the flamethrower” they’re passing his budgets, they’re complying with Musk’s unelected goons, they’re getting on with his Gaza agenda and largely silent about the protestors getting kidnapped.
Asking for donations isn’t resisting, it’s ransom.
I really don’t like how y’all just described everybody
And Lemmy is disproportionately representative of the 1/3 who are aware.
If you look at the comments on a random public social media post, you’ll find the delusional third or half.
It basically boils down to where they’re getting their information, or rather, whether it’s information or “information”. A large swath of the population is so propagandized by right wing rag “media” that they are functionally incapable of rational thought.
should have voted democrat i guess
I don’t think that applies here. 1/3 in each group is fair for domestic matters. But, OP is asking about perceptions of the US by people in other countries.
In that case, even the 1/3 that is opposed to what’s happening will contain a lot of people with no idea how the rest of the world sees the US. For example, of the 1/3 of Americans who deeply oppose what’s happening, what fraction do you think actually read Le Monde or Deutsche Welle, or are even aware that they have an English-language service?
And, the 1/3 that is fully supportive of what’s happening will contain a lot of people who think that this is improving how the rest of the world sees the US. Sure, some will be aware and will still be defiant in the face of how the rest of the world is reacting. But, others will be watching Fox News or Newsmax and will hear propaganda that convinces them that the rest of the world admires and respects the US more than ever for taking a decisive stand against the deep state.
So, as with anything involving something happening outside the US, I’d guess more than 50% of Americans have no idea what the rest of the world is thinking.
We know. We hate it.
This is correct
Most Americans don’t think about other countries enough to really grasp what you mean by rogue state
You’re one of the few people who actually understood the question. As a result, you’re one of the few who actually got the right answer.
The West Coast is well aware. I really can’t see anyone in the US not being aware of our country’s wannabe fascist status, even though some will plead ignorance. I’m kind of hoping maybe Oregon, Washington and California will get together and ask Canada if we can join them… with a probationary period of course. No one in their right mind can trust us outright at this point.
There are some workable solutions inside the nation as well, as the federal system is dismantled. If WA, OR, CA, HI, the tribal counsels, and maybe AZ and NM (if they can play nice) got together, we could do a number of things to shore up the left part of the US.
First, states are not subject to patent. Each could choose a critical, expensive medication and produce it, sharing supply around the compact. Tribes could easily make epi-pens for their share.
Second, tie this into a compact equivalent of a multi-state healthcare that creates a floor healthcare for all citizens. Hawaii could lead this effort, they essentially already have it in their state. Get to the point you can cover people with income up to $70,000/yr california equivalent (based on living expenses) and let healthcare companies create supplemental plans like for medicare.
Third, as trump wrecks FEMA, form compacts for emergency response with mexico and canada and among these states. This is not currently legal but if FEMA is gone, why not just do it and who cares.
Fourth, create cooperative food sharing among states for excess crops. Federal programs just got destroyed, and california has a lot of excess supply. Let the compact members have a market where they can, as states, buy excess for their food programs. Let the program deal as an entity with non-compact states, which isn’t controlling interstate commerce, feds, it’s just the free market at work using the power of liberty to make red states either meet the price or we look outside the US.
A lot of this just recreates existing structures that are being destroyed, but leaves the red states that destroyed them to fend for themselves.
It just makes me very happy that you’ve done some deep thinking on something like this. First real smile I’ve had in a while.
No thanks, our conservatives are further to the left than your Democrats, and California has the population of the rest of Canada combined. You can make your own country
I agree about the Democrat party, but I wonder if the regular people of those states aren’t closer to Canadians in their views. If they were to join I imagine the existing party wouldn’t carry over and new ones would need to be organized.
Maybe if us west coasters make life a living hell for Shitler, he’ll sell us to Canada. Just tell him it’s a good business deal. He’s so dumb he might just do it.
Please, Canada! WA and OR would make a lovely drive on your way to CA! We know they’re the big prize but take us too! 😭
Those three states would more than double the population of Canada and overwhelm their political system. I wouldn’t do that if I were them.
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While CO put Lauren Boebert on the world stage, we are generally down to ignore federal authority. Rember when marijuana was illegal? Unfortunately that would require getting Montana, Idaho and/or Nevada on board. Seems unlikely.
Shitler would never let CA go.
CA is the forth largest economy in the world. It would humiliate him to let CA leave the union.
Yea plenty of people in the south are aware too, things aren’t “hidden” this isn’t north korea or turkmenistan… yet. As someone else said we’ve known this is what they want to do for a few years now.
Are people in the us aware… No!
uhhh always has been?? google github us atrocities
Those of us who pay attention know.
However, the media ecosystem is INCREDIBLY conservative and pumps out the rah-rah jingoism whenever it can. Those of who just stick to the mainstream echochambers think the US is a bastion of freedom and peace.
How I pointed something out to a family member this morning.
When Israel attacks housing units in a country it is in a “ceasefire” with, the media says they are “threatening the ceasefire.” If someone fires back. The media will say Israel is being attacked and the ceasefire was broken by the other party.
While that should seem wrong to many, it flies under the radar for many.
Great example! These little turns of phrases and wordplay that reveal the incredible right-wing bias of our media are all over the place if you learn how to look for them.
Another great example you see all the time is “office involved shooting” whenever someone is shot by police. It’s always something like “John Smith died after an officer involved shooting” or “a gun was discharged in an officer involved shooting that resulted in the death of Jane Smith.” Where it should be “Officer Joe Blow murdered John and Jane Smith.”
You need to hound maga with shit they care about. Internal anti American shit the gop is doing will go way further than them giving a shit about foreigners.
Hounding someone on something they don’t agree with just makes them shut down a conversation.
Using something like that brings the bias to light without them ending the conversation. You cannot assist someone with seeing bias in media who just blocks you. While it sucks, sometimes small steps help getting you going in the right direction.
There are protests going on everywhere. Corey Booker did his thing. It’s not enough but people know something is going on.
INCREDIBLY conservative
Is this American for “full of shit”?
Yes. Yes it is.
For some reason the administration and conservatives want to be a rogue state, they enjoy it. Rest of the country is either politically oblivious or helplessly defiant.
No “average” person is aware because they are too busy trying to just survive. Nobody wants to chance losing what they’ve worked so hard for. The only people who watch the news are seniors and disabled people, and they’re being misled if they just watch TV news.
People who call themselves Republicans are happy with what’s going on. People who call themselves Democrat are not happy but think they need to work within the system to solve the issues and wait until the next election. Libertarians have sided with the Republicans. Socialism is still a taboo way of thinking for the most part here.
Then you have disabled people (like me) who are watching what is happening in horror and have sky high anxiety wondering if they’re next to be disappeared or homeless. I can stand for maybe 30 minutes at most, holding a sign maybe 15 minutes at most. So I’m doing what I can and that is trying to live as if things are “normal” to continue on my mental health recovery and sobriety journey at the same time being horrified and terrified of what’s to come. It’s a weird duality that I don’t like. I told my therapist the other day that I have hope for the future for my recovery but I have lost all hope in what is going on politically and in the news.
A lot of this I also blame on false American beliefs fed to us in school that we were safe from all of this nonsense because of our constitution. The American Dream and all that B.S. They sugar-coat our history as a country in schools – at least they did when I went to school in the 80’s/90’s, I don’t know about now. It’s as if America only has a rosy history, even the Civil War is glorified in false narratives.
It’s easy to see how we got to this point as a country. The question is, how do we get ourselves out of it?
Whatever the answer is, it’s going to take years if not decades. I wish I had the answers. I wish I had the power to make things right. I wish I could stop the suffering. All I can do is do what I can. For now, that’s surviving. For now, all I can do is continue to be kind to people and educate them when I can. Help them when I have the ability to.
My fellow disabled person, I see you. A murmur can become a tidal wave with time. We must stick together. We cannot lose hope. We must go on.
The people cheering it on think it’s patriotism. Then there still seems to be maybe a third of us who think this was just another election we had in 2024.
The rest of us know, and are appropriately freaked the fuck out.
Kinda on topic, but imma give you some perspective into what it’s like to be a liberal leaning person in a deeply red county. Half my friends are independent or republican, all my coworkers and my boss are republicans, and even my dad is straight up MAGA. I’ve always voted third party because I hated that Democrats never get anything done, but I did vote heavily democrat this past election because I knew how fucked everything would be.
I would say 99% of people do not care or don’t think it’s a big deal. The ravenous Trump supporters you see on the internet and in videos are more of a minority than the norm. There are definitely some hardcore MAGA here but most everyone is just regular everyday people that are just carrying on like nothing is different. Most of them don’t spend much time on the internet and they hardly watch the news. I was talking about the tariff situation to a cashier at a gas station just this morning and it was the first time they were hearing it. And with the news not even covering half the shit that’s going on they probably never will. My roommate works downtown and he didn’t even know about the protests at the Capitol until I mentioned it to him 3 days later.
I guess my point is that the average person isn’t even informed. Not everyone spends a lot of time on the internet so they don’t even see what’s going on. They decide to vote specifically because the candidate says “Republican” and that’s the furthest thought that goes into it. Everyone talks about “this is what they voted for” as if any more thought went into their vote for Romney or McCain than their vote for Trump. And I don’t blame them for it because as far as they know, this was just like any other election. They’ve been bamboozled by local news to think everything is still exactly the same as they slowly pushed the Trump agenda onto them. The hardcore MAGA are definitely fascists in every sense of the word, but these regular everyday people are not fascists. They were just voting for the party they always voted for and were just expecting the same kinda shit from Trump’s first term, and the local news didn’t tell them anything different.
Hugs from Germany. It must be painful to watch this unfold. Now everybody can see live how it all happened in Germany. And it is still possible that the fascist wave will roll again over Europe too. I hope we don’t, as usual, copy every trend from the US with a few years delay…
Oh man, that can’t be true. I’m so sorry for you that you’re surrounded by such ignorant people. It must be hell that nobody really listens to you. I’m really sorry for decent people like yourself and probably many of your colleagues, who I’m sure are good people in themselves. Tell them that the US is now an ally of Russia - maybe they’ll understand.
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Everyone I know is nihilistic and numb. We know.
Some of us are aware. We tend to also be the ones who know this only ends in some kind of revolution. No dictator has even chosen to give up power.
No dictator has even chosen to give up power.
Taiwan’s did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan_(1945–present)
It was actually neat. The “hybrid” between dictatorial state funding and a democratic business environment all but established TSMC.
Ukraine is sort of a dictatorship now, but Zelensky will probably give up power.
But, uh, we don’t talk about them here I guess.
How is Ukraine a dictatorship?
They paused elections, and Zelensky has some extraordinary wartime authority. He could try to consolidate power after the war, but he certainly won’t.
They aren’t really a dictatorship, of course, I’m just trying to illustrate that dictators can and have chosen to give up power… And it’s unfortunate that more don’t.
Their constitution states that elections won’t be held during wartime. He’s not disallowing elections, their foundation of government is disallowing them. Attempts to band ho,as some kind of dictator are just propoganda. He’s the legally elected President and following their laws.
It’s been a rogue state for decades, they call it ‘American Exceptionalism’, and the ‘patriotic Americans’ are happy about it.
Lots and lots of people, actually. Many identify with the tough-talkin’ images being projected, believing it’s just what the world needs and that the magic sorting hat will assign them to the privileged class when the dust settles.
“…that’s what America needs, a businessman.”
Pretty much it. They have been trained by decades of “if it bleeds it leads” news, Fox news, and talk radio to be in perpetual fear and see themselves as being under attack. The internet has fueled this wildly. They see everyone as being out to take their way of life away, steal their money (taxes), needing guns against the mobs waiting outside of their door, etc. On top of that is an apocalyptic mindset that used to be just evangelical Christian but now has become a secular mentality of “shake society hard enough and we’ll magically come out on top”. It is the lottery mentality of success, no effort, no self improvement just have it fall into your lap.
Meanwhile the wealthy continue to push for the degradation of society as long as it serves them in their lifetimes. Cut corp taxes to nothing, cut capital gains taxes, move from income taxes to sales taxes, buy struggling businesses, fire everyone, don’t pay debts, take out loans against it then cash in on selling the pieces. Destroy the environment because only future generations will pay for that. Corp and capital gains tax cuts and tariffs put more and more of the burden on the lower and middle classes. Get rid of education oversight, medical research, financial watchdogs, etc, none of those matter to the wealthy who will always have access to private schools, concierge doctors, financial advisors, lawyers, etc. They just keep distracting the working class and rural voters with frivolous culture wars distractions while they pick your pockets.
