Of course not, haha. Just some intentional misinterpretation.
Redditors gonna Reddit
What were the old rules?
Literally Reddit 2.0, but with a
FOSS coat of paint.Lmao, what a shithole.
Lol that’s a very subtle strikethrough
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Voat 2.0
Even after moving here FROM Reddit, I can’t stand the Redditors here
Hexbear makes for a very nice chill place, although myself I like lemmygrad and have stuck with them for quite a while.
Lemmygrad is good only if you are an outright pinko.
Seriously, this is the least of its problems, but it certainly hints at them: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit
Basically, they don’t even follow the examples they set in their Terms of Service and will not only ban but purge your entire comment account on a whim because they didn’t like the criticism they said they were open to on a post stating that “users may express their questions, concerns, requests and issues regarding the Terms of Service, and content moderation in Lemmy.World.” There’s no doubt, they were pretty clear they considered the criticism “disagreeing with the terms of service”.
Create your user on another instance and save yourself the surprise of encountering admins who abuse their power on a whim. That can be your entire account history down the drain, and the number of comments or the age of the account won’t matter to them.
This is exactly what I experienced when I was part of their top moderator and ban discussion discord channels. They would regularly ban people for little to no reason and then laugh about it and then realize they need to come up with reasons after the fact. This is also how they deal with defederation. They had defederated an instance more than once prior to having any concrete reasons to do so. They operate on gut feeling and disregard their own rules and ToS on the regular.
Not even Reddit is so unprofessional.
Yeah, I’m really getting the feeling they are just trying to bury it and ignore it. I was having trouble accessing the modlog, but when I was able to, they seemed to have gone through the effort to eliminate a lot of the entries, which included my account purge, ban, and ban reason. They still haven’t even bothered to answer the ticket I put up on tickets.mastodon.world, maybe I’ll add a screenshot to that later to show the ticket status and the time it has spent as unanswered. No admin has replied to me directly, and the closest I’ve seen any admin reply on the issue is to criticize the kbin.social instance as reliable because of the criticism they get on them.
The real problem is this is being done in bad faith, and if that’s their core drive, then the only thing they’ll do in the future is make-up better sounding excuses to cover their asses.
I’m not sure what’s up, but entries have certainly been removed. This was then: https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog
This was a more recent IWM archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog
Search for “HEISENBERG” in both and then read back through to the most recent to get an idea of how different they are. Some bans are showing up, some aren’t, a lot of them aren’t even there.
I’m no expert, but modlog isn’t exactly the same across all instances. I think actions like a user getting banned in their home instance do get propagated to the other modlogs, since my ban got propagated to lemmy.ml’s moglog, but this user’s ban in lemmy.world wasn’t.
I haven’t touched the lemmy code, but seeing what’s mentioned over at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2349 , the modlog seems to be just a combination of database tables that are normally maintained server side but, just like in any other database, can be edited manually.
Only trust the modlog as much as you trust the server you are reading it on.
I shouldn’t be surprised that the primary motivating factor of administrators and power mods is to have and abuse power of users. Lemmy just feels like a failed experiment at this point.
The only thing left here is unoriginal memes. Which can be amusing, but I don’t think it is enough for Lemmy to survive on long term.
Still, just because an experiment doesn’t have the ideal results doesn’t mean it doesn’t get us closer. Unfortunately, if people are going to trust the server with the best marketing instead looking into issues like this, it pretty much makes it impossible to move on because bad faith actors who are best at lying and cutthroat tactics will be the ones to prevail over people questioning what you are telling them without reading the mountains of evidence you are using to back your claims.
The rot definitely seems too close to the core with lemmy.
Well I still think it is a bit odd that you can’t really explain why canthidium left your team. It’s obvious there is more to this that you try to deflect from answering by going on about how everyone or everything else is the problem but you. And from canthidium’s comments back then it looks like he just didn’t want to deal with you anymore and that seems credible. Canthidium has some cooking related communities and they seem very chill.
And tell me, which of the defederation decisions didn’t you agree with?
He left because he was sick and said he was going to be in the hospital and wouldn’t have time. That is what he told me. That is a pretty gross thing to joke about if he is lying. We had little to know interaction outside of discussing what posts to make for what shows and only over a few days.
Feel free to ask them to provide every single private or public discord message I’ve ever made to them. I’m sure they would likely try to hide it as it would only make them look foolish at best and terrible at worse. They are not good people.
You can believe whatever it is you need to believe, but there is no way for you to convince me that I myself have done wrong when I know for a fact I have not.
It should be telling that they are the ones that try to hide things.
5.0.1: Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other groups of people. Every one of our users has a right to browse and interact with the website and all of its contents free of treatment such as harassment, bullying, violation of privacy or threats of violence.
Need some context here: is this what we removed, something that’s already somewhere else, a proposed replacement, or something else?
In my opinion this is actually better than the CoC. The only thing “missing” is the definition of which qualities you shouldn’t discriminate against. But that’s now generalized into “groups of people”.
I still can’t discriminate against people based on any qualification. Hell, I technically can’t discriminate against “pineapple on pizza eaters”.
Nazis are a group of people. Republicans are a group of people. Pedophiles are a group of people.
That’s a bad faith argument. The ToS also says to not engage in illegal activity. The admonishment of Nazi’s and Pedophiles is an admonishment of illegal evil.
Your inclusion of Republicans is a bit of an extreme juxtaposition. Feel free to admonish the individual evil views of Republicans, but to discriminate against Republicans purely for their association is rightly against ToS.
Ok, Boomer.
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This is an ALT account of OP
Edit: @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone can confirm
Can confirm.
Edit: Wild they keep making the same 4-5 usernames on multiple instances. That account name was on Blahaj last I saw it.
I just replied this to another commenter, but that’s a bad faith argument. The ToS also says to not engage in illegal activity. The admonishment of Nazi’s and Racists is an admonishment of illegal evil.
Bruh I hate to break this to you but nearly all governments are racist. Have you not heard of what the US did to black people for 300 years?
Uh, the US has vetoed multiple attempts by the UN to condemn the glorification of Nazis. I hate to break it to you, but Nazis and racists are not illegal.
Being a Nazi is not illegal in most jurisdictions. It certainly wasn’t illegal in Nazi Germany.
I think you can’t read it too literally. Otherwise you also can’t discriminate against “people who wrote their comment later” and so you can never stop reading the comments for fear of discriminating between “early comment writers” and “late comment writers”.
By my reading of it, you can still discriminate against pineapple pizza eaters, or any other group whatsoever, you just can’t harass, bully, violate their privacy or threaten them with violence. Which is fine by me, if someone wants to make a community only for ginger haired people and ban anyone they think isn’t naturally ginger, that’s their perogative.
That was my takeaway, too, and I think it’s positive. The nice thing is, if it turns out that the policy fosters behavior that’s bad for the broader community, they can change it.
Of course we would, and that’s also exactly why we invited users to discuss and provide feedback while launching it. It is a living document, and we hope to update and improve it periodically and consistently.
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Some people have given you guys a lot of flack, but I really think you’re making a thoughtful, good faith effort to do things right, and I think you’re doing well. There have been a couple things that I thought were the wrong decision, but (1) they’ve been relatively minor, and (2) they’ve been reasonable even if I might have chosen differently. I very much appreciate the thought that goes into running this place.
Thank you. I appreciate your sincere response, and I can assure you the rest of our team will too. Differences in decisions may naturally occur, of course, but I think being able to reason things is what matters in the end. Here’s wishing you a great one.
…can’t discriminate against “pineapple on pizza eaters”
True ;)
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Good. Because it’s fucking delicious and I don’t care what the internet says. We all loved it in the 90s, and nothing has changed. It’s still delicious, we just do less coke now.
I wear jalapeños on my rocket and thrust it in the pineapple pizza wrapped around it.
Its your fault for telling us how sexy and fuckable pineapple pizzas are.
Pineapple pairs the best with spicy pizzas, I always add it as an extra.
Sometimes I fucks with jalapenos, yeah. Especially if I’m high. Lol.
It’s so fucking good, but I’m more of a ham than bacon person. Bacon is too hard for my poor, American, no dental insurance havin’ teeth. Lol.
Hot take: ham doesn’t go on pizza. The pineapple isn’t the problem
What about people who don’t eat pizza crust?
They’re useful idiots if they give me their crusts.
I respect their right to put pineapple pizza, but I’ll be damned if our pizzas are going to touch.
Some day we will eradicate your kind
I’ll split that pizza with you.
I feel like I’ve made the right choice to stick with Kbin.
Oh yes, Kbin is a nice Lemmy UI
🫠
I mean, it may not look as sleek, but it feels more familiar to me as a snoo refugee. Plus the particular instance I’m on seems to be relatively drama free.
Have you seen Https://old.lemmy.world ?
Oh wow, that looks good. I’ll still happily remain where I am though.
The new rules also say you’re not allowed to report content for things that aren’t a violation of the terms of service. So if you report a content for being racist, that’s against the rules.
My fault guys, he is using one of my cooking bowls for his cereal
Well this is some bullshit. I’m out.
That was easier than I thought.
With your 4 month old account
It’s absolutely a bullshit take from OP
Unless they changed it - the last time I checked there was an exception for posts violating community rules, so communities who want to exempt themselves can just add a rule IMO
From my perspective, communities in general instantly remove racist content once reported, and most racial slurs in these contexts are used as a personal attack towards another individual.
🔥HOT TAKE: There are contexts where racial slurs could be used without bad intentions, such as in a car visual customization community, or in a community with people of colour referencing each other. These slurs are especially used among younger age groups in a casual manner, who may not consider such terms offensive at their current point in life. Of course, such communities can just ban these terms outright with a new rule.
Unless i’m missing something, I don’t see the problem with this
What did they mean by this
OP completely ignoring 5.0.1
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Ok but
Got dayum.
Knowing the admins there they will still ban you for anything you say against their political views…
Against their political view that racial bigotry discrimination is bad? I sure hope so.
No, strictly against Israel and jews. If you call Hamas terrorists you get banned.
Israel and Jews are not the same thing. Israel is a country for the Jews who happen to be racist colonisers. Every ethnic/religious group has racists in it, and the ones stealing homes in Palestine are the racist Jews. Most Jewish people don’t live in Israel, because most of them aren’t racist.
Fuck you antisemitic piece of shit!
Jewish people are not flawless paragons. To portray them as such is to deify and other them, striping them off their humanity. They are human beings, flawed in all the same ways the rest of humanity is flawed. That includes, in many but not all, racism. It’s not antisemitic to say that some are racist. They’re human, and racism is a very human trait. You’re the antisemite. You deny them the flaws of being human, and other them as universally perfect.
You’ll forgive me for not taking your word for it.
Just look into their modlog…
Well they clearly don’t like me saying “From the river to the sea.”
So are they really against racial bigotry and discrimination?
You are literally from lemmygrad…
So will you go from hearsay and idiotic lies or actually engage me or visit lemmygrad for yourself?
This accusation could’ve been “You’re literally from Poland.”, and it would’ve just as little ground to stand on.
Was this during the sync thing?
To be honest as a mod or admin I would personally get sick of reading the same things over and over again, with sync fans attacking staunch FOSSers and staunch FOSSers attacking sync fans. It only served to get both sides upset for literally no reason, and fracture the community even more.
Their inboxes would have also likely been flooded out to death during that time with both sides reporting each other over petty remarks
Doesn’t make it right, however I can see why it happened. Probably another reason behind the “dont report something unless its against the terms” rule.
IIRC there was a bit more to it. @ljdawson@lemmy.world care to comment?
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Every comment is still available to read at the moment. This doesn’t seem like the place for a long and elaborate recap. That’s pretty much what it boils down to though. The irony is that several people harassed me and they are completely fine with that because it supports their biased opinion. If you look through their comment history they are very supportive of this particular piece of software. So anything against this is bad and must be banned. It likely wouldn’t even matter what it is. They just ban first and justify it later and make up some nonsense such as “harassment”.
The double irony is that they are going to end up harming lemmy.world and possibly do irreparable damage to the lemmyverse long term and then their friend will no longer be able to profit much from ads.
Ah right, fair enough. I hadn’t realised Sync was doing that - I’ve been lazy and stuck with Jerboa.
The website seems to generally be the best way to browse lemmy anyway, particularly with its continued development. Apps quite often dont’ conform to things lemmy does, like automatically making instance agnostic links out of /c/fediverse@lemmy.ml, or the drop down box for typing a username and sending them a mention.
Which is baffling. I was only ever kind to him. He left because he said he was sick in the hospital and wouldn’t have time to help. I said ok thank you for your time and get well soon. He made up something about me saying something about COVID. Which makes no sense. Nowhere in Lemmy or discord did I ever mention COVID. I can’t understand his agenda for lying here. Maybe he just also wants to be a power mod to abuse it so he needs to brown nose the admins
https://lemmy.world/comment/3536316
https://lemmy.world/comment/3535459
https://lemmy.world/comment/3531009
Another kind of funny thing is that this is on Lemmy.ml. “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts.”
