What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?

It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.

Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.

Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?

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    What’s happening to them is worse than getting killed.

    What a vile little worm you are. And of course, because you don’t actually consider them human, you don’t care if they actually agree with this; you’re not actually going to try present the argument that the Uyghurs themselves would, if you went to Xinjiang and asked them, would prefer to be in Gaza. You’re just going to make the declaration for them, because you need to to excuse the holocaust going on in Gaza.

    Ok, you’re completely delusional, should have figured from the start. Please watch some footage of journalists that actually went there.

    Please, present this footage that shows that the people of Xinjiang are worse off than the people in Gaza…

    All your blathering about Palestine is nice whataboutism, but nothing more.

    You can’t actually defend the idea that the West’s crimes aren’t as bad as China, so you’re just going to declare that it’s “not allowed” to even mention the West’s crimes. Even you realise your position is untenable if people actually bring up counter points, so you’re going to pretend that some how it’s “cheating” for them to do so.

    I’m strongly opposed to the Israeli government as well, not that it matters in this discussion.

    Of course it fucking matters. What the fuck are you on about?

    It’s possible to have a more nuanced view than “east good, west bad” even though that might be too difficult for you to comprehend.

    You’re just assuming that, because you are only capable of seeing it in terms of Good Guys and Bad Guys, then I must be too, just in the other direction. This is a lazy strawman doesn’t actually follow from anything that was said.

    Millions is probably incorrect indeed

    Not incorrect: a lie that you told.

    the estimate is over 1 million.

    “The estimate”? From who?

    What does it matter though?

    Yeah, what does it matter? It’s not like theyre real humans with lives or anything. because non-western lives aren’t actually real to you; thousands, millions, tens of millions, whatever - it’s all just fictional to you, like the size of armies in fantasy books.

    The one who doesn’t seem to care about their live is you, because every single one is one too many.

    Tell me again how every Muslim in Xinjiang would be better off dead, how the genocide in Gaza is just prattle and whataboutism, and how numbers of dead don’t matter. Funny how “every single one is to many” doesn’t apply to the West, they can kill by the million and you’ll forgive them.

    I’m talking about innocent people being held in Gulags and in many cases dying there. Reading comprehension is difficult for you it seems. I’m curious though, do you think Gulags are not real or that only guilty people are sent there? Even if they were guilty, do you think a civilised nation should have concentration camps?

    Oh my God… Please tell me this is a bit.

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      you don’t actually consider them human

      nice projection

      you’re not actually going to try present the argument that the Uyghurs themselves would, if you went to Xinjiang and asked them, would prefer to be in Gaza

      What? Please try to write properly, your sentences are barely decipherable. No one has said anything about Xinjiang concentration camps being better or worse than Gaza.

      Please, present this footage that shows that the people of Xinjiang are worse off than the people in Gaza…

      Again, no one has claimed that. What are you talking about?

      You’re just assuming that, because you are only capable of seeing it in terms of Good Guys and Bad Guys, then I must be too, just in the other direction

      I’m not assuming anything, I based this on what you said. Whereas I have clearly expressed a more nuanced view, thus you’re, again, not making any sense.

      how every Muslim in Xinjiang would be better off dead

      I did not say that, although I know for a fact that some of the kidnapped and incarcerated people that are not allowed to see their family and to speak their language would rather be dead.

      how the genocide in Gaza is just prattle and whataboutism

      I never said that, do you know what whataboutism is?

      numbers of dead don’t matter

      They matter to me, but clearly not to you.

      Funny how “every single one is to many” doesn’t apply to the West, they can kill by the million and you’ll forgive them.

      Honestly, this is the last time I reply to you if you keep making shit up. Every single person killed is one too many, it does not matter who does the killing. Is that clear enough for you?

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        No one has said anything about Xinjiang concentration camps being better or worse than Gaza.

        The point was that there’s an actual genocide going on in Gaza, which makes your claim that Uyghurs in Xinjiang are experiencing something “worse than death” ludicrous at best.

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          Yes, there is and it’s obviously terrible and every actor participating in it, individual, corporate and state, should be held accountable.

          It doesn’t have anything to do with the situation of Uyghurs in concentration camps is worse than death.

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            This you?

            No one has said anything about Xinjiang concentration camps being better or worse than Gaza.

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        nice projection

        “That’s projection!” Isn’t actually some universal rebuttal you can just throw at everything. I gave a very specific explanation of why I said you don’t consider them human.

        What? Please try to write properly, your sentences are barely decipherable.

        It’s a perfectly legible sentence, please don’t pretend to be illiterate to avoid having to acknowledge rebuttals. Particularly if you’re going to immediately acknowledge that you did actually know what I said

        No one has said anything about Xinjiang concentration camps being better or worse than Gaza.

        Well now you’re resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

        Again, no one has claimed that. What are you talking about?

        Well now you’re resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

        I based this on what you said

        What, specifically, did I say that you are basing it off?

        Whereas I have clearly expressed a more nuanced view

        Well now you’re resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

        thus you’re, again, not making any sense.

        Yet you were still able to articulate a reply.

        I did not say that

        Well now you’re resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

        although I know for a fact that some of the kidnapped and incarcerated people that are not allowed to see their family and to speak their language would rather be dead.

        A fact? You know that for a fact? How exactly do you know that for a fact? Sounds like you just lying again, like you lied about the “over a million” number (and then quickly went quiet when asked to present your source)

        I never said that

        Well now you’re resorting to straight up lying about demonstrated facts.

        They matter to me

        You literally said they don’t.

        Every single person killed is one too many, it does not matter who does the killing. Is that clear enough for you?

        You’re directly contradicting yourself.